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Troels Forchhammer
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SubjectRe: Humiliation
FromTroels Forchhammer
Date2002-05-20 16:42 (2002-05-20 16:42)
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Flame of the West wrote:

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Morgil Blackhope wrote:

Morgil Blackhope
Reading your post and John's, I think I'm beginning to understand what the problem here is. You seem to be thinking that describing WTC-strike as a 'humiliation' says something negative about you,

Flame of the West
No, "humiliation" means what the dictionary says it means. It's a matter of the reaction of the victim. Read Mom's post.

While almost all definitions I've been able to find agree that humiliation is an internal thing - loss of self-respect is often mentioned, I found this version in Online Plain Text English Dictionary at http://www.mso.anu.edu.au/~ralph/OPTED/v003/wb1913_h.html "Humiliate (v. t.) To reduce to a lower position in one's own eyes, or in the eyes of others; to humble; to mortify." This seems to me to read that humiliation can, by some, be understood as a reduction to a lower position in the eyes of others.

English is not my native language, and I must therefore rely on dictionary definitions - especially regarding some of the finer nuances to the words. The discussion we've seen here seems to me to imply that the above definition is indeed correct, though the "or in the eyes of others" part may not be the normal understanding.

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