Subject | Re: Republicanism still an offence in England? (wasRe: Queen mother (of |
From | paulh |
Date | 2002-04-17 19:32 (2002-04-17 19:32) |
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Well the main one I've seen is when a group of self-elected citizens go around killing other citizens for political motives without being part of a government sanctioned unit and wearing a recognisable uniform.RussQuite frankly, IMO a force for which overall 70% of it's 'victims' werepaulh
othercombatants cannot be termed a terrorist force.What utter rubbish. Can you show me anywhere credible, other than in your opinion, where terrorist forces are defined as those which only kill X% or more of 'civilians' vs combatants..
A common definition of terrorism I've seen around here is deadly violence purposefully directed against and intended to kill civilians.
Since neither you nor I can read people's minds, a perfectly valid method for looking at the question is to look at the *results* of their actions.No its not... thats just an excuse...
The *fact* that 70% of those killed by the IRA were other combatants and 30% were civilians is pretty stong evidence that the IRA were not targeting and killing civilians as a modus operandi.Terrorism is just that. The IRA used the cover of being civilians to commit various acts of terrorism. Thats what defines a terrorist organisation (roughly). They set off bombs in public places, they pulled people out of cars and shot them in front of their girlfriends and then said 'whoops.. wrong nationality'.. . Mind you I think the Other side (protestant) were just as bad..
And I will state again (lest you make a false accusation), this is a different issue than the question whether an organization has committed individual terrorist acts. The IRA did. So did the British Army.But as one is a terrorist organisation and the other is an Army then its not the same thing.
And it's also a different issue from the question over whether violence is justifed at all (related to a 'just war' inquiry).agreed...
Ah....so you can be a terrorist one week, not the next, then back to being one the next, depending on whether you hit the right target or not. So easy. So convenient.paulhRuss
SO what ratio needs to be aspired to for THIS then? Perhaps if the Loyalist Paramilitaries kill more 'combatants' then you'll be happy to take them off the list of 'Terrorists'..
Were the loyalists to change their methods and target combatants then it could be argued they were *no longer* terrorists, but it would not change the fact that they were terrorists during the time their methods targeted civilians.
(I'll ignore the amusing misspelling) ha...completely incorrect. Please show where I have justified homicidal bombers. I'm not FOR the Palestinians but AGAINST the Israelis. I'm not sure you'll understand the definition.. but go back and check. I even made a specific statement that I was happy for the Israelis to deal with the Terrorist side as they felt fit... I have no time for Terrorists regardless whether they're UDF, IRA or Hamas.paulhRuss
What a pathetic excuse to justify terrorism..
That's rich coming from someone who justifies homocide bombers.
But you don't have facts. You're justifying terrorism based on statistics.. THIS organisation ISN'T cos it met Ratio X, this one IS because it was 2% too low. Disgusting...paulhRuss
Amazing turn around from a few days ago (when the Palestinians were Terrorists and the Israelis were Angels of Mercy)
I'm sorry if the facts are getting in the way of your opinion, but facts are facts and the numbers are the numbers. If you want to argue that the numbers should be interpreted in a different way, then be my guest.