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Laurie Forbes
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SubjectHumiliation
FromLaurie Forbes
Date2002-05-16 06:23 (2002-05-16 06:23)
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FollowsMorgil Blackhope
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Morgil Blackhope (1d, 5h & 56m) > Laurie Forbes
"Morgil Blackhope" <morestelx@hotmail.com>wrote in message news:abuv2r$lkehq$1@ID-81911.news.dfncis.de...

Morgil Blackhope
Flame of the West kirjoitti viestiss? <3CE2DD01.1B6EE4F4@erols.com>...

Flame of the West
Morgil Blackhope wrote:

Morgil Blackhope
Well, if you don't believe me, would you believe a genuine US marine? Or Osama himself? Or this guy from Harward?

Flame of the West
Nope. A couple of quotes on the Internet means nothing. You can find anything there if you look hard enough. That is the view of such a miniscule minority that it isn't even worth mentioning.

Morgil Blackhope
As compared to you and Russ?

It doesn't need a majority vote, it is so plainly clear fact. If you want to insist that Americans didn't see it as humiliation - fine. I'm always willing to admit I have no idea how the American minds work. <g>

Well, I guess I'm not sure what "humiliation" is. I looked it up in the dictionary, and I found words like "degradation," "disgrace," "shame." Or this: "The state of being humiliated, humbled, or reduced to lowliness or submission." Or this: "1: state of disgrace or loss of self-respect 2: strong feelings of embarrassment [syn: chagrin, mortification] 3: depriving one of self-esteem [syn: humbling, abasement]" (All from www.dictionary.com )

I can very truthfully say that I felt none of these things. I felt shock, then horror, grief and anger. Then I dug out my "Fourth of July" American flag and hung it. I bought small flag decals to put in the back window of each car. Almost everyone else I know did similar things. Right now I feel a kind of "energized resolve." Someone can CLAIM to have humiliated someone else, but I think the proof of it must be demonstrated by the "victim" in some kind of objectively observable way, i.e. either the victim admits it, or the victim denies it but his/her actions and behavior say otherwise.

But to claim that those who had previously been humiliated by America did *not* see it that way, is rediculous!

If they say they feel humiliated, then it must be so.

[Snip........ Oh-SO-tired of the term "brood sow.")

Your desperate denial of the obvious truth makes me wonder if you would be just trying to hide that it was your *pride* the Palestinean dancing lady hurt, and that is the reason you're so pissed at her...

Yes, I might go along with that. For me it was an "I'd like to get my hands on you and know I can't" kind of feeling. If that's wounded pride, then I agree with you.

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