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SubjectRe: Republicanism still an offence in England? (wasRe: Queen mother (of
FromTradeSurplus
Date2002-04-13 02:55 (2002-04-13 02:55)
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Russ wrote ...

Russ
"TradeSurplus" <tradesurplus@hotmail.com>writes:

TradeSurplus
Russ wrote >...

Furthermore, Israel rightly took those areas in the 1967 war, since

Israel

was

being *attacked* from there. Isreal is under no obligation to return

them

in

the absence of a settled peace.

I agree that Israel has the right to maintain a military presence in those areas until the war is resolved but colonization of territory captured in war is evil and wrong,

Russ
You've just described virtually the entire world.

No I haven't. I've just described virtually all the great powers of the world because power is necessary for both colonization and genocide. Virtually all the great powers of the world have committed state sanctioned murder and attempted genocide. That doesn't make it right.

TradeSurplus
no matter the excuses or supposed justification. One bad turn certainly does not deserve another and there can be no excuses

for

the terrorist attacks on Israeli civilians but neither can Israel claim

the

moral high ground while it is itself committing the second most evil act after genocide. Both sides in this conflict have apparently large numbers

of

people willing to commit the most atrocious acts. Both terrorist activity against civilians and settlement must stop. Whichever side first stops

will

reclaim the moral high ground and should have the support of the West.

Russ
The almost peace agreement between Barak and Arafat did not break down

because

of settlemts. It broke down over Jerusalem.

The fact that the brutal and evil leaderships of two factions failed to agree because of one point does not make their terrorism or their colonization right. While the evil bastards on both sides go about their business, their people on both sides suffer. The West should not give legitimacy to either side by supporting either terrorism or colonization. Aid and support should be discontinued to both sides until the leaders stop committing their destructive acts or until the people choose new leaders, i.e. until the Palestinians stop terrorist attacks on civilians and the Israelis stop the settlements. There has to be some morality in foreign policy or we might as well go back to the great power, national interest politics of the last century.

Trade.