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SubjectRe: Republicanism still an offence in England? (wasRe: Queen mother (of
FromTradeSurplus
Date2002-04-15 19:18 (2002-04-15 19:18)
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Russ
Jay Random writes:

Jay Random
TradeSurplus wrote:

Israel's leadership is brutal and evil. The fact that it is elected

doesn't

make it less brutal or evil. The fact that still more brutal and evil leaderships exist in the region neither lessens nor excuses the evil of Israel's leadership. And drop the "moral equivalence" strawman. I'm not going to argue

against

figments of your imagination. Evil is not made less evil just by being

in

the presence of a greater evil. Saruman is evil. The fact that he is

less

evil than Sauron does not make him a good guy. Substitute "Israeli leadership" and "Arab leadership" for Saruman and Sauron respectively

and

you can see what I am actually arguing, rather than your own strawman.

If you recognize that the Palestinian leadership is more evil than Israel's, & thus presumably that their acts are more evil, why do you persist in taking their side against the Israelis?

Russ
Trade's Saruman/Sauron analogy is flawed. A better analogy might be Denethor/Sauron.

My analogy is correct in that it properly illustrates my opinion of the situation. If you disagree with my opinion you may choose a different analogy to illustrate yours. Analogy is, of course, no argument. It is merely a useful tool to show what the poster means.

In my case, using Denethor as an analogy would be wrong since Denethor didn't really do anything evil (except at the very end by which time he was insane). Both Saruman and the Israelis did great evil, though less than Sauron and the Arabs (or at least, than the Arabs tried, but failed, to do). This is the point I am trying to illustrate. Clearly one major difference in my analogy is that Saruman pretended alliance with Sauron whereas the Israelis never pretended to be friends of the Arabs but that is outside the scope of what I was illustrating with the analogy.

Trade.