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paulh
SubjectRe: Queen mother (of Britain) has died
Frompaulh
Date2002-04-10 17:00 (2002-04-10 17:00)
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On 9 Apr 2002 22:10:11 -0700, queen_yoj@hotmail.com (Joy) wrote:

Joy
Okay, I was trying to put things as simply as possible, since I didn't think that anybody would take this creation-evolution discussion in a Queen Mother thread too seriously.

I know evolutionists don't believe it was just "*bang* and look, a human! whoa, what are the odds?"

It has been calculated that the odds of a spontaneous formation of even a small protein, given *100 billion years* (10 to 20 times greater than the approximated age of the earth) is less than 1 to 10 to the 60th.

Who says that? How can you prove that? How is that even calculated? Its relatively easy to make Amino Acids and thats just one step from Proteins.

And where is DNA from? I find the complexity of DNA mind-boggling. (Could, of course, just be my mind.) But we have these incredibly complex polymers, perfectly arranged into strands that are, in humans, over a metre long... the DNA of a bacterium can be made up of easily a few million separate units. DNA is far more complex than a simple protein, and the odds of *that* forming over 100 billion years are already slim... so if the odds of even a protein forming are ridiculous, I would think the odds of DNA strands happily forming into pretty spirals that *also* contain meaningful code, even over several billion years, are even tinier.

That's why I said the probability of evolution was slim.

But you're assumption is always based on either a/ you feel it seems unlikely b/ it happend by chance. One.. a billion years is a long time...very long. I don't know people can calculate (mentally) the odds ofthings happening over this sort of time frame. Two.. being complex is not proof its impossible. Its evidence it may have taken a long long time. Also DNA is not random, its a mechanism that life strove for (in that it needed something to work the way DNA works to improve its efficieny). And as such ANY mechanism would have done and DNA was the first workable one to come along. If life were to restart then its almost definite that Life maybe Amino Acid based but it would be different Amino Acids (prob) and there wouldnt be DNA.. it would be something else.

paulh

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