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Re: Jewish settlements

Morgil Blackhope
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SubjectRe: Jewish settlements
FromMorgil Blackhope
Date2002-04-16 22:39 (2002-04-16 23:39)
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Flame of the West
Morgil Blackhope wrote:

Morgil Blackhope
Well, I guess I would do two things for starters. I would stop building new colonies on West Bank and Gaza, and I would start removing the old ones.

Flame of the West
If you were Israeli PM, you wouldn't do anything just for "starters." Your duty would be to think of the long term, and any move you made would have to thought through.

Do you want me to take couple of days off work to give you the long answer with all the details? :)

You are proposing unilaterally giving away one of your strongest negotiating points in order to make your enemies less angry at you; do you expect them to be more forthcoming as a result?

That would show that I am serious about making an honest peace and not just trying to grab as much land as I can so yes, I would hope that would have some positive effects. However, that is not the main point. With settlements out of the way, Israel could again claim morally higher ground and I could stop being ashamed for my country.

As for using the settlemets as a mean of extortion, I can only say what Faramir would say in my place: "I do not wish for such victory".

And if so, what you do propose to ask for from the mollified Palestinians? What is your long-term plan? The point of this exercise is to put yourself in their place.

I would ask them to cease the indifadah and continue the peace talks of course.

Morgil Blackhope
If Israel is serious about making the peace with Arabs, it should immediately start clearing out the settlements. There is no need to have a peace treaty first.

Flame of the West
All of them? Are you suggesting that Israel go back to the pre-1967 borders? They aren't defensible.

Speaking as a Prime Minister of Israel, I agree. ;)

However, that was not what I suggested. Just removing the settlements. Every last one of them. Or more precisely, removing the inhabitants and barb-wire walls. The buildings would be donated to Palestineans as a small compensation of all we have destroyed earlier. Going back to pre-67 borders would happen when the actual peace treaty would be signed, and Arab-nations had recogniced Israel's right to exist.

Now do I get your vote or what? :)

Morgil