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FromDavid Flood
Date2002-04-15 03:27 (2002-04-15 02:27)
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"AC" <spam@nospam.com>wrote in message news:3cba28bb.19174921@news2.randori.com...

AC
On Mon, 15 Apr 2002 01:06:39 +0100, "David Flood" <NOSPAMmaoltuile@utvinternet.ie>wrote:

David Flood
"AC" <spam@nospam.com>wrote in message news:3cba15df.14347500@news2.randori.com...

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On Sun, 14 Apr 2002 22:03:55 +0100, "David Flood" <NOSPAMmaoltuile@utvinternet.ie>wrote:

David Flood
Whatever happened to the point of the war in Afghanistan?

AC
The Taliban are shattered, Al Qaeda seriously crippled. That was the point. Now it is just trying to preserve an interim government to:

a) Give the Afghanis even a small chance to build a civil society. b) Prevent the lunatics from regaining control and again start protect international terrorists.

David Flood
Al'Qaeda's top men appear to have gotten away , and God only knows what resources they have available to them, or who the next target country

might

be (unguarded Russian nuclear stockpiles, anyone?).

AC
Oh yes, the nuclear bogey man.

This is no laughing-matter. Are you *completely* unaware of international affairs, and of how bad a condition Russia's military is in?

Perhaps you're right. We should have left the Afghani people to be terrorized by murderers so that the problem would be contained.

Well... I hate to have to point this out, but GWB & Co. obviously didn't give a shit about how fundamentalist or murderous the Taliban were, pre-Sept. 11th.

In fact, I believe from several mainstream news sources that a Taliban delegation was flown to the US by the Bush administration to discuss an important new pipeline route across Afghanistan, the month before the Twin Towers attack.

I think we can safely assume (after all that effort) that they 'wined and dined' them, and didn't spoil the intended effect by mentioning unimportant little things like disapproval of their religious nutter fundamentalism and their casual attitude to killing women.

David Flood
Meanwhile, GWB appears to be intent on linking Muslim fundamentalist terrorism to Iraq, to justify another oil war.

AC
Uh huh. Perhaps he will do what his old man should have done and tossed good old Saddam out of power. I can't imagine Saudi Arabia being none too sad about his departure.

Or Iran, to which he acts as a buffer of secularism. That is, after all, what endeared him to the Reagan/Bush administration during all those long fun-lovin', genocidal years before he got too greedy for his own good.

Saudi Arabia, btw, being another deeply unpleasant 'state' which will undoubtedly go 'rogue' sometime in the future as well - the inevitable result of supporting King Fahd and the rest of his despotic family, who are really *quite* comfortable promoting militant Islam, you should know.

David Flood
The reality of these selfsame Muslim fundamentalists probably being just

as

eager to do Saddam 'in' is something that people ought to consider, when pondering this new Bush policy direction.

AC
So, we should leave Saddam in place?

America doesn't seem to have a problem with ruthless dictators _per se_, only ones who come to impinge on "vital strategic interests". I think you should ponder why *this* one, above all others, overnight went from 'our sonofabitch' to an obsession for oilmen Presidents named Bush.

What exactly is your policy on Islamists? What would you have done?

You mean, of course, "Islamic fundamentalist terrorists" rather than Muslims as such (I hope). Killing them won't solve the problem: it never does, you'll simply create more by your actions. The only policy which stands a snowball's chance of success is to address the *genuine* grievances of the Muslim world, such as your support of nasty, dictatorial regimes and kingships.

And then of course, you could also *actually* become an honest broker in Palestine, rather than pursuing the policy of propping up Israel simply as a regional proxy for American power. This won't get rid of all the terrorists, but it'll leave them with miniscule support, which is what'll truly beat them in the end.

I'm offering this advice for gratis, free; as someone who's done a lot of long study on the subject (in an Irish context), and observed a number of current and former paramilitaries at close hand and heard their 'philosophies' at length.

David

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