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SubjectRe: Libel in aft? Shirley Knot...[was Re: The British Secret Service...[was Re: Republicanism still
FromDavid Flood
Date2002-04-27 14:27 (2002-04-27 13:27)
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"Michael O'Neill" <onq@indigo.ie>wrote in message news:3CC9EADD.B9F2D7B1@indigo.ie...

Michael O'Neill
Mike Scott Rohan wrote:

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Mike Scott Rohan
You seem to have an inflated view of your own achievements -- hardly surprising. Neither you nor anyone else has demolished even the most basic unpleasant and evident truth -- you defend, support and applaud the murder of innocent civilians, women and children included, by terrorist actions. You have to get around that before you can even start on any of the others; all you have so far advanced is bigotry to rationalize it. Let us know if you decide to rejoin the human race.

Michael O'Neill
You know Mike, I've stayed out of your bitch-slapping with Floodser because you were doing okay at it and the fat little git needed the exercise.

I beg your pardon??? <g>

This little excerpt from your previous post however...

"...you defend, support and applaud the murder of innocent civilians, women and children included, by terrorist actions."

...is a potentially libellous statement in a poublic forum. Someone from Ireland reading this and knowing David Flood could cause him a lot of problems with his employers trading off an apparently unfounded allegation like this.

On a hunch, I did a little digging on Google. Have a look at what I turned up, which demonstrates the wide gap of hypocrisy between what MSR *says* and what MSR *does*;

Message-ID: <2002010314490171187@asgard.zetnet.co.uk> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:49:01 GMT Newsgroups: humanities.music.composers.wagner From: Mike Scott Rohan <mike.scott.rohan@asgard.zetnet.co.uk> X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10002046 Subject: Re: Ludwig Geyer

"He asked "Was he a German at all?", didn't he? To me that seems not just an odd argument, but tabloid-style malicious rhetoric, a libel-avoiding device whose real point is not the actual conclusion, but the degree of smear that can be applied in reaching it. Just raising the question, however unjustifiably, was very probably intended to stigmatise Wagner, especially in the upper-class circles to which he now had access, as a social-climbing Jew, an "infiltrator" of the kind they and their successors despised."

From: Mike Scott Rohan <mike.scott.rohan@asgard.zetnet.co.uk> Subject: Re: Letters 54 - 57 Date: 2000/07/06 Message-ID: <2000070621584071187@asgard.zetnet.co.uk> Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien

"But how, ultimately, can you dare to judge a man's attitudes except by his actions? Deducing them "between the lines" is a highly dubious exercise, all too likely to be conditioned by one's own assumptions -- as you yourself demonstrate...

...Weasel words. All interpretations are not of equal value, or equally respectable. There are such things as right and wrong interpretations, justified and unjustified. And making such a serious and hurtful assertion without reasonable grounds for doing so deprives yours of any justification at all. Never mind whether you tried to "prove" something or not; the mere making of the claim is wrong. If you did that to somebody alive, they could very rightly sue you for libel...

...you have no right whatsoever to make such arrogant assumptions, have you? But if you do, it makes you liable to prove it. If you can't, you shouldn't have made it, and can expect to be attacked for having done so."

On the other hand, all it'll probably get a writer of fiction such as yourself is more publicity for your books.

I don't care what your problems are Mike, your comments were uncalled for unless based on fact, and I for one will be very surprised to learn Floodser is an IRA supporter. You OTOH are a known supporter of your Government.

Now you can either post proof of your assertions about the fat little git [with message I.D.s that we can all go and check] or I won't be ignoring your Royalist rants any longer.

He won't - it's not his style to apologise, to admit to being "in the wrong", where he thinks he can get away with it.

D.

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