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FromDavid Flood
Date2002-04-18 23:53 (2002-04-18 22:53)
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FollowupsMichael O'Neill (12h & 13m) > David Flood
"?jevind L?ng" <ojevind.lang@swipnet.se>wrote in message news:iABv8.1819$iB4.5310@nntpserver.swip.net...

?jevind L?ng
Michael O'Neill wrote:

Michael O'Neill
?jevind L?ng wrote:

?jevind L?ng
[snip]

Michael O'Neill
I suppose you'll be dressing me up in black armbands again, but I'm not a rabid Republican.

?jevind L?ng
I have never said that you are, Michael.

...!

Michael O'Neill
To understand why your post was so funny to me, you must first realise that there are two "Britains", where the British people themselves are concerned. London/the Home Counties and the Rest of the UK.

?jevind L?ng
Let me get this straight. You are claiming that ALL of the UK outside the Home Counties is occupied territory? That is more extreme than even

Flood's

statements about "occupied Scotland and Wales".

<agog>I beg your pardon?

I've never said any such thing, nor even intimated it, and I thought you had more sense than Scott Rohan.

I want an apology please, "Lang".

Michael O'Neill
So, in general, British people that I have met are law-abiding, hard-working, god-fearing, pleasant people, the further north you go, the more so. There is much Irish stock there so no surprises that I've found common ground or whatever, but even english people themselves see the difference between say Tyneside and London.

?jevind L?ng
The Home Counties are evil and the north of England is good? I really have no comment to that. Also, you seem to imply that one is vastly more likely to be "law-abiding, hard-working, god-fearing, pleasant" if one happens to be Irish stock. I really have no comment to that either.

Good thing too, because you're willfully misunderstanding what he said - Manchester, Liverpool and other places in northern England became home to waves of Irish emigrants from Famine times onward.

Hence there was less opportunity for the "No Irish need apply" culture to continue to find roots there.

[snip description of various shenanigans by British security people, cops etc.]

Care to reply/acknowledge Michaels' quite pertinent point (on which I can elaborate further, if you like)?

I have never claimed that no members of the British secret service and security forces, or the British police, or the NI police, have ever

behaved

badly. But you seem to claim that Britain is not a democracy at all - outside the Home Counties. Apparently, even Yorkshire and Devon are oppressed. What I say is that Britain is a democracy and that the IRA are just as dismal a collection of goons as the PLO.

Britain may be a democracy, but NI falls squarely under the category of 'colony'.

And, as history tells us again and again, *quite* different rules apply in such overseas possessions, no matter how perfect the home country's society may be.

D.

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