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SubjectRe: Humiliation
FromLaurie Forbes
Date2002-05-17 15:57 (2002-05-17 15:57)
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"Morgil Blackhope" <morestelx@hotmail.com>wrote in message news:ac2leo$mgm5m$1@ID-81911.news.dfncis.de...

Morgil Blackhope
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Laurie Forbes
Well, I guess I'm not sure what "humiliation" is.

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Morgil Blackhope
Reading your post and John's, I think I'm beginning to understand what the problem here is. You seem to be thinking that describing WTC-strike as a 'humiliation' says something negative about you, that it includes something like bowing your head in shame and giving up. It does not. Your reaction can increase, decrease or even turn previous humiliation for something to be proud of.

Laurie Forbes
I can very truthfully say that I felt none of these things. I felt

shock,

then horror, grief and anger. Then I dug out my "Fourth of July"

American

flag and hung it. I bought small flag decals to put in the back window

of

each car. Almost everyone else I know did similar things.

Morgil Blackhope
Seems like a perfectly reasonable and natural thing to do, if you fear that you have been humiliated, and want to show that you will not let it effect on you negativily.

Well, doggone it all -- what I THOUGHT I felt was grief mixed with intense, bursting admiration (for us and because of the supportive responses of the world) when I was fishing around to find the holiday decorations. What this feeling must have been, of course, was "humiliation" or at least the fear of it. And I wanted to deny that I was humiliated and prove to everyone that it wasn't so by defiantly displaying symbols of national pride. I see that now.

Concider Bill Gates getting a cream pie in his face. Regardless of what he does or says, its still a humiliating incident.

OK..... maybe this is an "English language" thing. Could Bill Gates have been "embarrassed"? If I were him, I think I would have been a little of that and a lot of "angry".

OR, looking back at your description of the "problem" (above), can an incident be "humiliating" but its victims NOT "humiliated"? This might be kind of fun to explore....... let me get some more coffee......

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