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FromDavid Flood
Date2002-04-19 19:29 (2002-04-19 18:29)
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"paulh" <paulh@fahncahn.com>wrote in message news:bf8vbu4lovm7p3e9jcqpd43ig88bhdjnh7@4ax.com...

paulh
On Thu, 18 Apr 2002 23:49:39 +0100, "David Flood" <NOSPAMmaoltuile@utvinternet.ie>wrote:

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"paulh" <paulh@fahncahn.com>wrote in message news:o00ubucil8skqar033aj8ck8scqni1d2vs@4ax.com...

paulh
On 18 Apr 2002 17:07:28 GMT, mcresq@aol.com (Russ) wrote:

David Flood
<snip>

Russ
OK, so if a military plane drops a bomb on a target at noon crowded

with

civilians, it is not terrorism (although it may be something else)

paulh
Not if theres some sort of war going on its not...

Russ
group or not.

paulh
And I say its not. It merely a sample of whether they are efficient terrorists or not.

David Flood
Which brings us neatly back to "they're terrorists because they're terrorists".

paulh
Quite possibly so.... I don't have verifiable scientific litmus test that will prove the point

one way

or another...

So, in other words, you don't know.

Russ
Rather I have defined terrorist (broadly) as targeting civilians. See below.

paulh
thats part of it..luckily the British Army has rarely ever done that.

Or

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have

paulh
you any proof that they've ever been ordered to just go out and shoot

any

David Flood
old

paulh
person who wanders by?

David Flood
Have you, perchance, ever heard of the British Army's "Force Research

Unit"?

(I believe it's now going under a new name)

http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2000/0923/breaking40.htm

paulh
Amazing... the British Government has secrets? Naturally it must be something evil. Every good paranoid knows thats

secret

government things equals AlienSpaceships/Human Experiments gone horribly

wrong

etc....

Please try not to be such a d*ckhead, for at least one hour of your life.

And look up on Google the names of ex-intelligence service/army whistleblowers such as Fred Holroyd, Colin Wallace, Peter Wright and of course Albert Walker Baker.

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http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/ireland/1998/0330/north8.htm

paulh
Really....so providing information that then is used to target Republican Activists is the same as " they've ever been ordered to just go out and

shoot

any old person who wanders by?". Try and keep your responses pertinent. I

don't

actually approve of them providing information to Loyalist Paramilitaries

to

then use to shoot Targets...I'd be happy if they went out and shot them themselves. But either way its not what I said, is it?

They're certainly not doing it off their own bat, as the attempts - at the very highest official level - to hush the whole thing up show.

And once the State starts sanctioning the extra-judicial killing of people it doesn't like, then all bets are off.

David Flood
http://www.serve.com/pfc/fru/fruindex.html

paulh
All very sad... but as proof that the BA goes around and shoots Catholics

at

random it lacks something. Like the BA doing the shooting and the element

of the

word random. It does have Catholics tho...

I would think they learned their lesson when the strategy on Bloody Sunday backfired so massively in terms of international public opinion. See "pseudo-gangs" below.

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http://www.sbpost.ie/story.jsp?story=WCContent;id-20328

paulh
Again I fail to the relevance to my statement..

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http://www.sbpost.ie/story.jsp?story=WCContent;id-8209

paulh
Ditto

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http://www.sbpost.ie/story.jsp?story=WCContent;id-15730

paulh
Ditto.

They're possibly all issues in their own right. But they do not prove, as

per my

statement, that the BA were ordered to go around shooting Catholics at

random.

If they

i) have the leaderships of the various Loyalist paramilitary groups on their payroll ii) supply the weapons iii) provide the lists of Catholic targets iv) provide a secure escape route for the killers v) stop at nothing to prevent the truth coming out

you *don't* think that they're responsible?

Here's a big tip - look up the phrase "pseudo-gang", particularly with reference to official British Army counter-insurgency doctrine during the retreat from Empire in the post-WWII era.

David Flood
Or read any account of the BA's other activities in Ireland down through

the

centuries?

paulh
So how far back does one go? Perhaps I can define Irish pirate raids on

the

British mainland as a sample of terrorist actions. I

...seem to have been cut short.

D.

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