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SubjectRe: Queen mother (of Britain) has died
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Date2002-04-11 06:06 (2002-04-10 21:06)
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"TradeSurplus" <tradesurplus@hotmail.com>wrote:

TradeSurplus
You really need to clear up in your mind the distinction between evolution and abiogenesis.

Yeah, I realized I was arguing two separate things... :) So far it seems like nobody has any idea how that bugger of a first cell got here. As for evolution, some seem to accept it as "fact".

Evolution is true, it's a fact, it's been demonstrated and it's only denied by extreme nutcases with no grasp of the relevant science and only the most tenuous of grasps on reality.

Whoa. We know microevolution and evolution within species occurs, but macroevolution involving a species-level change in genetic code has yet to be documented as "fact", I believe. If so I must've missed it. It isn't a "fact".

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you are probably not a nutcase,

Damn.

BTW, accepting the fact that evolution is true shouldn't upset a belief in God any more than accepting the fact that some rocks (and cities for that matter) are more than 6,000 years old does.

I know that. I just don't accept *anything* as fact. There is no evidence at all for abiogenesis, the fossil record for evolution is sketchy at best, nobody can thoroughly explain the evolution of wings, feathers, or avian flight, and as those on this thread have said, the actual mechanism of evolution is a mystery. Very few things are actually "fact", and macroevolution is certainly not one of them. The "fact" that the universe is infinite is *not* a fact, just conjecture based on what evidence people have gathered. (Although if we accept some views on the avian-evolution debate... Gandalf's balrog *had* wings... gradually evolved after its ancestors died from falling.)

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