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SubjectRe: Humiliation
FromMorgil Blackhope
Date2002-05-17 12:19 (2002-05-17 13:19)
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"Morgil Blackhope" <morestelx@hotmail.com>wrote in message news:abuv2r$lkehq$1@ID-81911.news.dfncis.de...

Morgil Blackhope
It doesn't need a majority vote, it is so plainly clear fact. If you want to insist that Americans didn't see it as humiliation - fine. I'm always willing to admit I have no idea how the American minds work. <g>

Laurie Forbes
Well, I guess I'm not sure what "humiliation" is.

<snip>

Reading your post and John's, I think I'm beginning to understand what the problem here is. You seem to be thinking that describing WTC-strike as a 'humiliation' says something negative about you, that it includes something like bowing your head in shame and giving up. It does not. Your reaction can increase, decrease or even turn previous humiliation for something to be proud of.

I can very truthfully say that I felt none of these things. I felt shock, then horror, grief and anger. Then I dug out my "Fourth of July" American flag and hung it. I bought small flag decals to put in the back window of each car. Almost everyone else I know did similar things.

Seems like a perfectly reasonable and natural thing to do, if you fear that you have been humiliated, and want to show that you will not let it effect on you negativily.

Right now I feel a kind of "energized resolve." Someone can CLAIM to have humiliated

someone

else, but I think the proof of it must be demonstrated by the "victim" in some kind of objectively observable way, i.e. either the victim admits it, or the victim denies it but his/her actions and behavior say otherwise.

Concider Bill Gates getting a cream pie in his face. Regardless of what he does or says, its still a humiliating incident.

Morgil

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