Subject | Re: Israel and Palestine - Some myths exploded? (was Re: Republicanism still ... |
From | David Flood |
Date | 2002-04-16 21:30 (2002-04-16 20:30) |
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In article <a9d1i6$28a0v$3@ID-121201.news.dfncis.de>, "David Flood" <NOSPAMmaoltuile@utvinternet.ie>writes:
<snip>David Flood
There was a letter in the Sunday Tribune (probably the best source of
numbers".journalism in this country) today - which, if the claims in it are true, painted a startling new picture about the 'history' of the situation, at least to me.
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READER TAKES ISSUE OVER ISRAELI HISTORY
To correct some inaccuracies in your "Road to Intifada" timeline (World News, 7 April):
a) Israel was not successful in 1949 "against all the odds and the
JewishNor were Arab armies "threatening on all sides". This is merely Zionist propaganda which has been accepted without question. A memo from US army intelligence to the Chief of Staff dated 18 May 1948, and quoted by
thatwriter Ron David in his book _Arabs and Israel for Beginners_, stated
andthe combined total of *all* attacking Arab armies came to no more than 30,000 poorly armed and trained men, as against 90,000 well armed and trained Zionists under a unified command and supported by modern fighter
Moslembomber planes.Russ
Let's look at what Arab leaders said at the time:
Arab League Secretary, General Azzam Pasha: "This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades"
The Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin Al Hussein: "I declare a holy war, my
brothers! Murder the Jews! Murder them all!"Arabs
I think I'll forgive the Jews for not headcounting their opposition. The
attacked. The Jews defended. So what?So Israel wasn't born as the result of an 'Immaculate Conception' - the problem goes right back to the great Zionist enterprise, in which the Arabs were an inconvenience to be disposed of to make room for God's chosen people.
Consider, for example Jordan's Arab Legion was armed and trained by theBritish
and led by a British officer.Unsurprising.
According to the IDF website: "It was one of the few instances when Israel faced almost equal forces on the other side: 35 to 45 thousand Israelisoldiers
faced 42 to 54 thousand in the combined Arab armies. Although the Arabforces
were marginally better equipped than the IDF, neither side employed tanksor
planes in large numbers."So there're conflicting accounts, it seems.
andDavid Flood
b) you miss out the six-month period between the partition of Palestine
operation"the Israeli declaration of independence. During that time, the Israelis were ruthlessly pursuing "Plan Dalet" a so-called "land clearing
sentdesigned to drive Arabs off their land and into exile. This "land clearance" did not stop at the boundary of the UN partition but continued right into the 45% of the country supposedly reserved for Arabs. It was carried out with shocking brutality.
Contrary to the received wisdom, the massacre at Deir Yassin was not an isolated excess of war, but a deliberate part of the organised ethnic cleansing of Palestine under Plan Dalet. After it was done, the Irgun
Itout the order to all its commands, "As at Deir Yassin, so everywhere".
Palestinians.was only after six months of this and the Israeli ceasefire that the Arab nations felt constrained to take some action on behalf of the
fromc) the Israeli attack which captured the West Bank was not a "pre-emptive strike". Stephen Green in his book, _Taking Sides_, quotes extensively
muchUS State Department sources to show that not only was the Israeli army
astronger than the combined Arab forces, but the Israelis were looking for
Egyptianfight since at least 1965. Menachem Begin himself stated that "the
toarmy concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided
Egyptiansattack him".Russ
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That's funny. The UN peacekeepers certainly skedaddled when the 2
divisons moved forward.Yet the Israelis attacked first, rather than being in the position of merely defending themselves.