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David Flood
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FromDavid Flood
Date2002-04-16 21:30 (2002-04-16 20:30)
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"Russ" <mcresq@aol.com>wrote in message news:20020415214723.06878.00000492@mb-ch.aol.com...

Russ
In article <a9d1i6$28a0v$3@ID-121201.news.dfncis.de>, "David Flood" <NOSPAMmaoltuile@utvinternet.ie>writes:

<snip>

David Flood
There was a letter in the Sunday Tribune (probably the best source of

good

journalism in this country) today - which, if the claims in it are true, painted a startling new picture about the 'history' of the situation, at least to me.

(* * represent bold, _ _ represent italics in the original text)

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READER TAKES ISSUE OVER ISRAELI HISTORY

To correct some inaccuracies in your "Road to Intifada" timeline (World News, 7 April):

a) Israel was not successful in 1949 "against all the odds and the

numbers".

Nor were Arab armies "threatening on all sides". This is merely Zionist propaganda which has been accepted without question. A memo from US army intelligence to the Chief of Staff dated 18 May 1948, and quoted by

Jewish

writer Ron David in his book _Arabs and Israel for Beginners_, stated

that

the combined total of *all* attacking Arab armies came to no more than 30,000 poorly armed and trained men, as against 90,000 well armed and trained Zionists under a unified command and supported by modern fighter

and

bomber planes.

Russ
Let's look at what Arab leaders said at the time:

Arab League Secretary, General Azzam Pasha: "This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades"

The Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin Al Hussein: "I declare a holy war, my

Moslem

brothers! Murder the Jews! Murder them all!"

I think I'll forgive the Jews for not headcounting their opposition. The

Arabs

attacked. The Jews defended. So what?

So Israel wasn't born as the result of an 'Immaculate Conception' - the problem goes right back to the great Zionist enterprise, in which the Arabs were an inconvenience to be disposed of to make room for God's chosen people.

There *has* to be a better solution than one side or the other being 'victorious', in this day and age.

Consider, for example Jordan's Arab Legion was armed and trained by the

British

and led by a British officer.

Unsurprising.

According to the IDF website: "It was one of the few instances when Israel faced almost equal forces on the other side: 35 to 45 thousand Israeli

soldiers

faced 42 to 54 thousand in the combined Arab armies. Although the Arab

forces

were marginally better equipped than the IDF, neither side employed tanks

or

planes in large numbers."

So there're conflicting accounts, it seems.

David Flood
b) you miss out the six-month period between the partition of Palestine

and

the Israeli declaration of independence. During that time, the Israelis were ruthlessly pursuing "Plan Dalet" a so-called "land clearing

operation"

designed to drive Arabs off their land and into exile. This "land clearance" did not stop at the boundary of the UN partition but continued right into the 45% of the country supposedly reserved for Arabs. It was carried out with shocking brutality.

Contrary to the received wisdom, the massacre at Deir Yassin was not an isolated excess of war, but a deliberate part of the organised ethnic cleansing of Palestine under Plan Dalet. After it was done, the Irgun

sent

out the order to all its commands, "As at Deir Yassin, so everywhere".

It

was only after six months of this and the Israeli ceasefire that the Arab nations felt constrained to take some action on behalf of the

Palestinians.

c) the Israeli attack which captured the West Bank was not a "pre-emptive strike". Stephen Green in his book, _Taking Sides_, quotes extensively

from

US State Department sources to show that not only was the Israeli army

much

stronger than the combined Arab forces, but the Israelis were looking for

a

fight since at least 1965. Menachem Begin himself stated that "the

Egyptian

army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided

to

attack him".

Russ
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That's funny. The UN peacekeepers certainly skedaddled when the 2

Egyptians

divisons moved forward.

Yet the Israelis attacked first, rather than being in the position of merely defending themselves.

D.

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