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SubjectRe: Republicanism still an offence in England? (wasRe: Queen mother (of
FromTradeSurplus
Date2002-04-19 20:22 (2002-04-19 20:22)
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?jevind L?ng wrote in message ...

?jevind L?ng
TradeSurplus wrote:

TradeSurplus
?jevind L?ng wrote in message ...

?jevind L?ng
<snip bit where Ojevind agrees with me about events on bBoody Sunday> [snip]

TradeSurplus
still classified as invasions. Persian invasion of Greece Roman invasion of Gaul Norman invasion of Britain Swedish invasion of Germany Do I really have to go on?

?jevind L?ng
I notice that you did not respond to my comment that Sweden coming to the aid of the Protestant German principalities in Germany during the Thirty Years' War does not constitute a "Swedish invasion of Germany". Instead,

you

just snipped it, obviously in the hope that people would not notice your appalling ignorance.

I snipped it because it was irrelevant. Do you really think that just because _some_ Germans invited the Swedish, it did not constitute an invasion? Even if you do believe that, what relevance does it have to the debate, other than as a red herring to draw attention away from the main point.

And why do Irish nationalists always go back to ancient history for arguments?

TradeSurplus
You'd have to ask an Irish nationalist.

?jevind L?ng
OK - you are not an Irish nationalist. You just sound like one.

TradeSurplus
More modern examples of invasions are German invasion of France Soviet invasion of Afghanistan Iraqi invasion of Kuwait US Invasion of Kuwait and Iraq

?jevind L?ng
The US did not invade Kuwait - it liberated Kuwait. And they never invaded Iraq because they had no mandate from the UN to do so; they only bombed it.

Russ responded already to this nonsense.

[snip]

You have your own way of interpreting this, I see. Like it or not, the nationalist areas currently belong to the UK. Hence, the British army

can't

"invade" them.

TradeSurplus
OED Invade: enter under arms to control or subdue.

?jevind L?ng
In that case, the cops "invade" the homes of gangsters. You are squeezing the definition through a hole to fit your purposes.

During the 'troubles' in NI the british army entered nationalist areas against the will of the people in order to subdue, with force and threat of force that people. I used the words 'invade' and 'attack' for this. You seem to think that those are not the right words. The OED definition says that they are appropriate words. Should I believe your definition of English words more than the OED's?

TradeSurplus
The police can invade a rioting suburb of London. The army can invade a nationalist area of NI.

?jevind L?ng
This is NOT the standard use of the word. "The police invaded Brixton"?

Come

off it.