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Michael O'Neill
SubjectRe: The British Secret Service...[was Re: Republicanism still an offence in England? (wasRe: Queen m
FromMichael O'Neill
Date2002-04-19 00:49 (2002-04-18 23:49)
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?jevind L?ng wrote:

?jevind L?ng
Michael O'Neill wrote:

Michael O'Neill
?jevind L?ng wrote:

?jevind L?ng
[snip]

Michael O'Neill
I suppose you'll be dressing me up in black armbands again, but I'm not a rabid Republican.

?jevind L?ng
I have never said that you are, Michael.

Michael O'Neill
To understand why your post was so funny to me, you must first realise that there are two "Britains", where the British people themselves are concerned. London/the Home Counties and the Rest of the UK.

?jevind L?ng
Let me get this straight. You are claiming that ALL of the UK outside the Home Counties is occupied territory? That is more extreme than even Flood's statements about "occupied Scotland and Wales".

Michael O'Neill
So, in general, British people that I have met are law-abiding, hard-working, god-fearing, pleasant people, the further north you go, the more so. There is much Irish stock there so no surprises that I've found common ground or whatever, but even english people themselves see the difference between say Tyneside and London.

?jevind L?ng
The Home Counties are evil and the north of England is good? I really have no comment to that. Also, you seem to imply that one is vastly more likely to be "law-abiding, hard-working, god-fearing, pleasant" if one happens to be Irish stock. I really have no comment to that either.

[snip description of various shenanigans by British security people, cops etc.]

I have never claimed that no members of the British secret service and security forces, or the British police, or the NI police, have ever behaved badly. But you seem to claim that Britain is not a democracy at all - outside the Home Counties. Apparently, even Yorkshire and Devon are oppressed. What I say is that Britain is a democracy and that the IRA are just as dismal a collection of goons as the PLO.

I wasn't kidding Ojay.

1. You need to travel in the north of England and ask the people there what they think of London. You will see my worst assessment confirmed.

2. I cannot comment on the state of mind or abilities of the the PLO or the IRA membership, nor do I support violence in principle.

3. However I note that violence in practice has had some notable "successes" where one group of people screwed another, including two world wars, Korea, Vietnam, etc.

4. The killings in Palestine and Norn Iron and even 9/11 are admittedly chickenfeed compared to these state-sponsored killing fields, but that doesn't excuse Britain from sponsoring an apartheid state in Norn Iron, nor America from sponsoring an apartheid state in Isreal.

5. The IRA and the PLO are reactions in part the injustices fostered by these two instances of state sponsored apartheid.

FWIW

M.

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