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SubjectRe: The British Secret Service...[was Re: Republicanism still an offence in England? (wasRe: Queen m
From?jevind L?ng
Date2002-04-19 16:40 (2002-04-19 16:40)
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Michael O'Neill wrote:

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Michael O'Neill
1. You need to travel in the north of England and ask the people there what they think of London. You will see my worst assessment confirmed.

I have, in fact, been to Britain many times, and that includes the north. No matter how much people in Yorkshire may grouch about the bloody Londoners, they are not oppressed by the south of England, and you surely must know it too. Are the people in western Ireland oppressed by the damned Dubliners?

2. I cannot comment on the state of mind or abilities of the the PLO or the IRA membership, nor do I support violence in principle.

Good.

3. However I note that violence in practice has had some notable "successes" where one group of people screwed another, including two world wars, Korea, Vietnam, etc.

Violence often pays off, true.

4. The killings in Palestine and Norn Iron and even 9/11 are admittedly chickenfeed compared to these state-sponsored killing fields, but that doesn't excuse Britain from sponsoring an apartheid state in Norn Iron, nor America from sponsoring an apartheid state in Isreal.

Calling Israel an apartheid state is over the top. As for NI, I know that there are mixed middle-class areas, and the state does not act aginst their existence. It is working-class Catholics and Protestants who cluster together and won't tolerate neighbours belonging to the other sect, and the British government did not tell them to do so. Apartheid is when the state enforces separateness on different ethnic groups, and that is not what is happening in NI or even in Israel.

5. The IRA and the PLO are reactions in part the injustices fostered by these two instances of state sponsored apartheid.

If you had just written "injustices" without adding the inflammatory and incorrect "apartheid" I would have agreed. And the term "in part" is very important here. Michael, I am tired of this discussion. Let's call it a day, yes?

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