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paulh
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SubjectRe: Humiliation
Frompaulh
Date2002-05-17 16:37 (2002-05-17 16:37)
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FollowsLaurie Forbes
On Fri, 17 May 2002 13:57:49 GMT, "Laurie Forbes" <rforbes1@maine.rr.com>wrote:

Laurie Forbes
Well, doggone it all -- what I THOUGHT I felt was grief mixed with intense, bursting admiration (for us and because of the supportive responses of the world) when I was fishing around to find the holiday decorations. What this feeling must have been, of course, was "humiliation" or at least the fear of it. And I wanted to deny that I was humiliated and prove to everyone that it wasn't so by defiantly displaying symbols of national pride. I see that now.

Morgil Blackhope
Concider Bill Gates getting a cream pie in his face. Regardless of what he does or says, its still a humiliating incident.

Laurie Forbes
OK..... maybe this is an "English language" thing. Could Bill Gates have been "embarrassed"? If I were him, I think I would have been a little of that and a lot of "angry".

OR, looking back at your description of the "problem" (above), can an incident be "humiliating" but its victims NOT "humiliated"? This might be kind of fun to explore....... let me get some more coffee......

Indeed

And the question is also that, does humiliation come only when you (the potential humiliateee) acknowledge it, or can external viewers bestow the status 'humiliated' on another party whether that party acknowledges it or not. Also there seems to be degrees of humiliation. Whereas there is perhaps a slight humiliation in what happened to the WTC I don't think its that great, cos it wasn't, in practical terms, an easy to prevent attack. Its a sticky situation... There was definitely something negative in what happened, but I dont know that its humiliation, I think that term is too strong or has connotations too negative.

paulh