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Date2002-04-12 23:33 (2002-04-12 23:33)
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In article <a97gjb$v1r0$1@ID-81911.news.dfncis.de>, "Morgil Blackhope" <morestelx@hotmail.com>writes:

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Anyway...what civilians are being brutalized? The same civilians, a vast majority of which, support and condone suicide bombers?

Morgil Blackhope
Only because they are being brutalized.

That's false. The Israelis were not doing *anything* to the Palestinians until Arafat rejected the peace offer of Barak and then ordered the intifadah and suicide bombings to begin again.

The Palestinians could have had a state 54 years ago. But no they

attacked.

They could have had a state anytime between 1948 and 1967 had Egypt and

Jordan

seen fit to give them the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. Not only didn't

they do

so, they attacked ISrael instead. They could have had a state when Prime Minister Barak offered one to them a few years ago. But no, they would

rather

kill Israeli civilians. The Palestinians have yet to show they have joined

the

civilized world. What could have been a Palestinian state is now a

smouldering

ruin because Arafat refused to make peace with Barak and the Palestinain

people

agreed with Arafat. Plain and simple.

Not really. Plain and simple would be that Israel is occupying lands that belong to somebody else. If that causes trouble, the responsiblity for that belongs to Israel.

And why did the Israeli's occupy the West Bank and Gaza in 1967? Because Israel was being *attacked* from there. Should they just have continued to allow themselves to be attacked from those areas forever?

If Denmark kept attacking Germany over and over again, do you think at some point Germany might be justified in occupying Denmark?

How many times was Israel supposed to be attacked? 5? 10? 20? At what

point

does Israel have a right to say, 'Enough'. At what point are the justified

in

looking out for their own security first? According to those who think

like

you, apparently the answer is never.

How do you think it stops Israel from being attacked that they give legitimate reason for it by breaking every international law and treaty there is?

International law and treaty? You mean the same international law that everyone ignored and that no one sought to defend in 1948? It's funny how the Arabs not embrace the same UN resolutions that they abrogaed before.

Israel has *proven* that it will give land for peace. They gave the Sinai back to Egypt in exchange for actual peace. What they will not do is give up land in exchange for nothing more than a promise from Arafat. Maybe Arafat should start by saying the same things in Arabic that he does in English.

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