Google| Subject | Re: Republicanism still an offence in England? (wasRe: Queen mother (of |
| From | Jay Random |
| Date | 2002-04-16 18:55 (2002-04-16 10:55) |
| Message-ID | <3CBC578C.9050306@bondwine.ca> |
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| Newsgroups | alt.fan.tolkien |
| Follows | TradeSurplus |
| Followups | TradeSurplus (2h & 22m) |
TradeSurplus wrote:
TradeSurplusNO. You said the Great Powers had all committed `state-sanctioned murder and attempted genocide'. NOT colonization.
Let's analyze this a bit. I replied to Russ that most of the Great Powers of the world have committed colonization. You replied "So have virtually all the small powers".
Colonizaztion is what the case is all about. That is the evil that Israel is currently committing. That is the evil that Russ claimed almost everyone is guilty of. That is the evil that I have shown many peoples and nations are not guilty of. Conquest is a red herring that you introduced all by yourself and that has no applicability to the current debate.In that case, the Palestinians ought not to object to the continued Israeli occupation of the West Bank, as long as Israelis don't settle there. The occupation is _conquest_; the settlement is a significant irritant, but incidental to the main issue.
The history you give shows how these peoples were attacked, colonized and in two cases almost completely wiped out by invaders. These peoples do not share the guilt of the invaders. They were the victims of invasion.The point is that the invasion occurred, & the people who now occupy those territories are the beneficiaries of those invasions. There is hardly any person now living on earth who can say that he is not descended from people who seized their land by force, or that he lives on land that has not been so seized. No one has any grounds to criticize anyone else in this matter.
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