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SubjectRe: Republicanism still an offence in England? (wasRe: Queen mother (of
FromTradeSurplus
Date2002-04-15 19:10 (2002-04-15 19:10)
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Jay Random
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TradeSurplus
Israel's leadership is brutal and evil. The fact that it is elected

doesn't

make it less brutal or evil. The fact that still more brutal and evil leaderships exist in the region neither lessens nor excuses the evil of Israel's leadership. And drop the "moral equivalence" strawman. I'm not going to argue against figments of your imagination. Evil is not made less evil just by being in the presence of a greater evil. Saruman is evil. The fact that he is less evil than Sauron does not make him a good guy. Substitute "Israeli leadership" and "Arab leadership" for Saruman and Sauron respectively and you can see what I am actually arguing, rather than your own strawman.

Jay Random
If you recognize that the Palestinian leadership is more evil than Israel's, & thus presumably that their acts are more evil, why do you persist in taking their side against the Israelis?

You think that "I persist in taking their side" based on my three posts in this thread? Before starting an attack on my posting record (as opposed to responding to a particular post) you should check out that record. It's not very long for me on this thread, or indeed, on this topic since I first started posting to aft.

I think that my record shows that IMO the best thing for both Israelis and Palestinians is a change of leadership on both sides. In the current environment, that probably means outside intervention since neither side seems capable of producing leaders that can bring peace.

I am not against the Israelis (nor have I shown that I was in this thread) but we cannot ignore the evil that their leadership is doing any more than we can ignore the evil of the Palestinians. Neither should we in the West be seen to accept that evil by taking Israel's side. We should take neither side, declare a plague on both their houses and call in the gang of four (US, UN, EU and Russia) to take over control of the area until things calm down.

Trade.