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Michael O'Neill
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SubjectRe: MSR and Ojay, you're on notice...[was Re: The British Secret Service...[was Re: Republicanism st
FromMichael O'Neill
Date2002-04-30 01:41 (2002-04-30 00:41)
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FollowsJohn Savard
John Savard wrote:

John Savard
On Sat, 27 Apr 2002 01:44:32 +0100, Michael O'Neill <onq@indigo.ie> wrote, in part:

Michael O'Neill
So you think violence and Christianity are incompatible, do you?

John Savard
Snipping isolated verses out of context does not provide the meaning of the Bible. One has to read the New Testament as a whole to understand what it is trying to convey.

Well I'm glad that over seventeen years of being brought up as a catholic at home and in school is appreciated by someone.

And what is unmistakable and clear is that the message of Jesus is one of nonviolence.

Tell that to the money-lenders in the temple - and don't bullshit me about "righteous anger".

As for:

Michael O'Neill
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."

John Savard
this refers to family discord when some members of a family convert to Christianity and others do not.

No it doesn't.

Yes, many so-called Christians do engage in violence, and there are even some things in the Bible that may be encouraging them, but this still has nothing to do with what Christianity is about.

The sight of a would-be Christian imploding logically whilst in denial spiritually is always amusing.

So violent Christians aren't *really* Christians at all, they're something else? A bit like telling the relatives of the victims of 9/11 that terrorist Muslims weren't really Muslims.

Very neat for someone living in a sequestered little world, very convenient and entirely unconvincing. The sort of denial that has the Irish Bishops running away from the pedophiles in their midst.

So just to underline my point, the human products of intense religious brainwashing can be persuaded that the Bible means anything the brainwashers want it to mean and that includes justifying acts of extraordinary behaviour, up to and including committing gross acts of violence.

Now apart from denying the eligibility of violent Christians under your List of Defined Terms do you have any relevant point to make in reply?

M.