Sandman
In article <5bvvt9lm4gocgncucochg532blbn7j2ubi@4ax.com>, Eric Stevens wrote:

[>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eric Stevens: Listen Dumb-brain] [>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>] [>>>>>>>>Eric Stevens:] [>>>>>>>>You are also the guy who claimed there are] [>>>>>>>>no switches in iPads.] [>>>>>>>] [>>>>>>You could have quoted your original article to] [>>>>>>prove that. In fact on 16 Jul 2014 10:14:52 in GMT] [>>>>>>Message-ID: <inmmt9l9o0njg539imo4auirtq1jr143c6@4ax.com>]

[(I put the Message ID back for you. Wasn't that nice? I hope you don't] [mind me being helpful)]

Eric Stevens
Sandman: "What "switch" was this? You say it's an internal component, and the topic was "moving parts" so you seem to imply that inside your iPhone there was a mechanical physically moving "switch" that was broken. Having seen the insides of many iPhones (I have a friend that repair them), I can assure you that no such switch exists."

Quoting out of context hides the fact that at that time we were discussing the on/off switch for the iPhone ring sound. It's got nothing to do with Hall effect switches.

[ >>>>OK. I can see that I had forgotten that you were confining] [ >>>>yourdenial to the existence of mechanical switches. It would] [ >>>>have been helpful if you could have remembered that the] [ >>>>first (or second (or third (or fourth))) time I asked you] [ >>>>about it.]

Sandman
No, we (as in Peter, nospam and me) was *not* discussing the ring/vibrate switch, since that's an external switch. Peter posted about someone at Apple having told him that an internal switch was broken in his iPhone. I questioned that claim, pointing out that there are no internal switches in an iPhone.

This is indeed what happens when you quote things out of context.

[>>>>>Again, you were lying and you got caught, you provided the] [>>>>>proof for your own lies and failed to retract or support them.] [>>>>>Still lying.]

[If I was wrong I will admit I to being wrong but there is no way I] [will admit to lying. As I point out below, just a little further up] [the thread you were discussing iPads. I don't know when within the] [discussion you switched to iPhones.]

[>>>>] [>>>>Eric Stevens:] [>>>>Read what I wrote above. The diiscussion WAS in the context of] [>>>>the iPhone.] [>>> [>>>Sandman:] [>>>Yes, read what you wrote above - here is your claim:] [>>] [>>>"You are also the guy who claimed there are no switches in iPads"] [>>] [>>>Your above quote does *not* substantiate that incorrect claim from] [>>>you. Either retract the claim or support it.] [>>] [>>I've already acknowedged that you were talking about mechanical] [>>switches. I know you have read it as you have responded to the] [>>article.]

[>What you have not acknowledge is that you made a claim about me having said ] [>something about switches in *iPads* and your supposed support showed me ] [>talking about *iPhones*.

[What do you think you were talking about when on 24 Jul 2014 08:43:10] [GMT in Message-ID: <slrnlt1i4r.4o8.mr@irc.sandman.net>you wrote]

[ "But that's not the end of the fun - Eric is making a huge deal] [ about the supposed magnetic switch in the iPad. Only, it's not a] [ switch at all. It's a magnetic sensor. Ooops."]

[[To save more turbulence I will remind you that I had already] [suggested that it was most likely a Hall effect switch. Call it a] [sensor if you like, but it is used as a switch.]]

[That's correct, right at the beginning of the thread, you (and we)] [were talking about iPads. This is your thread, your subject.]

[>You have yet to support the above claim, or retracted it. You remain a ] [>liar.]

[>>>>>>>It's a magnetic sensor. And you "pointed" that] [>>>>>>>out in a post I totally ignored since you started it with] [>>>>>>>a third grade personal attack, still quoted above.]

Or it could have done you well to learn to read - I am talking about not only moving parts above, but also about the *iPhone*.

Again, you were lying and you got caught, you provided the proof for your own lies and failed to retract or support them. Still lying.

Eric Stevens
If I was wrong I will admit I to being wrong but there is no way I will admit to lying.

Sandman
So, where is your admittance?

Unless you are admitting to your error and retracting it, you *are* lying, whether or not you admit to lying or not.

Eric Stevens
As I point out below, just a little further up the thread you were discussing iPads. I don't know when within the discussion you switched to iPhones.

Sandman
No, YOU were the one that started to talk about iPads, not I. The discussion had only been about iPhones up until you joined it and started to talk about iPad batteries.

Eric Stevens

Sandman
[>>>>>You dragged that up from another topic in] [>>>>>another thread and at that time it was a deserved mode of] [>>>>>address for you.]

Eric Stevens
Read what I wrote above. The diiscussion WAS in the context of the iPhone.

Sandman

[>>>>Lying again. It's still in the quoted material above,] [>>>>in the top. It's in this sub thread.]

Yes, read what you wrote above - here is your claim:

"You are also the guy who claimed there are no switches in iPads"

Your above quote does *not* substantiate that incorrect claim from you. Either retract the claim or support it.

Eric Stevens

Sandman
[>>>Yes,, but it's a quote from another thread on another subject.]

Eric Stevens
I've already acknowedged that you were talking about mechanical switches. I know you have read it as you have responded to the article.

Sandman

[>>No, liar. It's a quote from the post you made about the magnetic] [>>sensor, in *this* thread. Otherwise, it would not be in the quoted] [>>material above. Here is the entire hierarchy:]

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What you have not acknowledge is that you made a claim about me having said something about switches in *iPads* and your supposed support showed me talking about *iPhones*.

Eric Stevens
What do you think you were talking about when on 24 Jul 2014 08:43:10 GMT in Message-ID: <slrnlt1i4r.4o8.mr@irc.sandman.net>you wrote

"But that's not the end of the fun - Eric is making a huge deal about the supposed magnetic switch in the iPad. Only, it's not a switch at all. It's a magnetic sensor. Ooops."

Sandman
What I am *not* saying above is that there are no switches in an iPad, contrary to your claim.

There *are* no switches inside an iPad, but I have never made the claim you incorrectly attributed to me. You were incorrect and you refuse to admit it.

Eric Stevens
[To save more turbulence I will remind you that I had already suggested that it was most likely a Hall effect switch. Call it a sensor if you like, but it is used as a switch.]

Sandman
Your ignorance is of no importance here, either.

Eric Stevens
That's correct, right at the beginning of the thread, you (and we) were talking about iPads. This is your thread, your subject.

Sandman
Incorrect. You started to talk about iPads, not I. I have merely been correcting your misinformation.

You have yet to support the above claim, or retracted it. You remain a liar.

You did not remedy this in this post either.

The first post is where you made your schoolyard insult like you were a 7 year old boy, and the rest are all posts in direct succession from it, with the last being the one I am currently replying to.

See how substantiation works, yet?

Eric Stevens
You call that a personal insult? All it was was a justified comment on your line of argument at the time. A bit primitive, I will agree, but definitely justified.

Sandman
NIce attempt at a diversion. The above is substantiation that your claim that it was a quote from another thread is incorrect.

Eric Stevens
I will accept that. I was going by memory.

Sandman
You shouldn't. Your memory never works.

Calling someone "Dumb-brain", regardless of how utterly idiotic and immature it makes yourself look, certainly qualifies as a personal insult. Trying desperately to pass it off as a "justified comment" changes nothing.

Eric Stevens
You don't have a reputation for being friendly and when you launch an attack on a person for a matter which has already been amicably settled between the parties you can expect to be put back in your place.

Sandman
I am never the one that starts with the name calling, you trolls are. Like clock work. When you've lost an argument, the name calling follows shortly after. It's a tell-tale sign.

Eric Stevens
That's what happened. You set the tone by starting a thread which is a personal attack and getting things wrong in everything you wrote. What do you expect: to be welcomed with rose petals?

Sandman
Here are more incorrect statements, let's list them:

1. I started this thread. 2. This thread is a personal attack.

I eagerly (not likely) await support for those statements. Failure to do so will brand you a liar... again.