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SubjectRe: Adobe's Low hanging .... ?
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Date07/23/2014 20:35 (07/23/2014 14:35)
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In article <84svs99hk53107h5lmp04l31aq6dojvhdd@4ax.com>, Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com>wrote:

Whisky-dave
Why isn;t it. The battery is the power supply it's what supplies power to the circuitry so it is the power supply.

nospam
the power supply refers to the part that plugs in the wall, not the battery.

Tony Cooper
Apple doesn't refer to them as a "power supply". Apple calls them a "Power Adapter". It adapts, or converts, the incoming power to the level that is required to charge the battery.

nospam
it goes by many names.

Tony Cooper
Two, at least, but not the one you use: power supply.

including that, and several others.

Where is an instance - other than in your writing - where it is used by someone with credibility and/or an Apple employee?

many people call it that. the internals are a switching power supply. look it up and learn something for a change.

just because *you* never heard of it called that doesn't mean it's never done.

<http://www.amazon.com/JACKYLED-Switching-Power-Supply-Adapter/dp/B006NT NGN0>

<http://www.parts-express.com/12-vdc-2a-switching-power-supply-ac-adapte r--129-077>

<http://www.powerstream.com/ac-0510-usb.htm> <http://www.powerstream.com/ac-2809.htm>

<http://www.power-win.com/>

here's something a little deeper and likely well over your head: <http://edn.com/design/power-management/4364011/Designing-offline-ac-dc- switching-power-supplies-brick-by-brick>

nospam
it also supplies power.

Tony Cooper
http://store.apple.com/us/iphone/iphone-accessories/power#!

If you Google "iPhone power supply", you are redirected to "charging devices" and "power adapters".

https://www.apple.com/power-adapters/

nospam
which means that common usage is that power supply means the box that plugs into the wall.

Tony Cooper
No, it doesn't. It means that Google's algorithm picked up on the words "iPhone" and "power" and found the nearest probable inclusion of those words in a term. It has nothing - nothing - to do with "common usage".

nope. it means that google knows what was meant by a given search term based on what people actually use in the real world, not your little world.

google uses a lot of smarts to give you the results you want and they have a *lot* of employees whose sole job is to tweak things for common usage, slang, spelling errors, etc. to do exactly that.

nospam
google does that for a lot of search terms.

Tony Cooper
I would not consider an adapter to be a power supply. The power adapter charges the battery, and the power the phone uses comes from the battery.

nospam
not always, and what you personally consider it to be does not matter.

your google search proves that power supply == power adapter.

Tony Cooper
JXC! It doesn't *prove* anything except that Apples uses "power adapter".

so what? it goes by many names.

apple calls the top switch on ios devices a sleep/wake button yet most people call it a 'power switch'. it's not a power switch (and actually it's not a switch at all, it's a button).

apple calls one of their products an 'ipod touch' yet 'itouch' is commonly used and searching for itouch gives the expected results.

there are *many* examples of this, not that it matters since power supply is an accepted name for the item in question.

The phone can be used with the adapter in use, or with a charger connected to a 12V system, but the power still comes through the battery. Without the battery in place, there is no way to power up the phone without some modification to the phone.

nospam
actually it doesn't.

Tony Cooper
Yes it does.

no it definitely does not, which should be obvious to anyone who gives it even a moment's thought.

nospam
when it's connected to a charger, it's *charging* the battery, not running from the battery.

Tony Cooper
The battery is making the phone operational. The charger is charging the battery, but the power used when the phone is operational is from the battery. The charger is just replenishing the battery's power.

nope.

when the charger is connected, the battery is *absorbing* energy.

nospam
or to put it another way, energy is flowing into the battery, not out of it.

Tony Cooper
You don't need to. I wrote "through the battery". Energy is also flowing out of battery to power the phone.

nope. energy is flowing *into* the battery, which is how it charges.

if energy was flowing out of the battery, then it would be discharging.

this is a very basic concept, and one which does not need an engineering degree to understand.

you're wrong.

the charger supplies power to the device, and if any power is left over, it also charges the battery.

if sufficient power is not available to do both, then the battery does not charge and may even discharge even though the device is plugged in, although at a slower rate.

if you get an underpowered charger, such as a 500ma charger for an ipad (which really wants 2a), it can only do one or the other, so it will show 'not charging' when the ipad is on, but if you sleep the ipad, it will charge. that means that the ipad is *not* being powered by the battery. 500ma is enough to run an iphone and charge it slowly, but it prefers 1a to do both.

In any battery-powered device - like a drill or a portable vacuum - no one would consider the adapter used to charge the battery to be a power supply. It's called either a power adapter or a charging device.

nospam
sure they would.

Tony Cooper
How many coach passengers did you ask?

You do come up with some doozies to defend your errors.

any time you resort to that, we know you're full of shit.

Wouldn't it be simpler just to admit "well, yeah, it's an adapter not a power supply, but i wasn't thinking right when i wrote that."

it goes by many names.

some people call it a power adapter while others call it a power supply. some call it a wall wart or a power brick, while some call it a power cube for the traditional ones that look like a cube, such as this:

<http://www.lorextechnology.com/images/products/CVA4901/900x600/accessor y-CVA4901-L1.png>

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