Whisky-dave
His data was lost.

Sandman
No, he had backup.

Whisky-dave
once he knew it was lost he could recover it

yuo don;t know you've lost data until it's not there.

You have to know you're datas lost before you get it from a backup.

Sandman
But he can get it. Only not easily. So then it's not lost.

Whisky-dave
Only if the backup actualy contains the data.

Sandman
It wouldn't be a backup if it didn't.

Whisky-dave
Which hopefully actually exists and can be recovered.

We've had whole servers go down and no been able to recover from a backup.

A backup is useless unbless you know you can get the data back.

Sandman
Ah, so if you drop your keys and they fall under the sofa, and you have a back problem, the keys are lost, ey?

Whisky-dave
yes

Sandman
That's idiotic. Just because you can't reach them under the sofa, that doesn't mean they're lost. They're still right there under your nose.

Whisky-dave
they can't be under your nose unless your nose is down the back of the sofa. The word lost is from teh individuals perception that's what lost means.

If you know the keys are there then they aren't consoidered lost

cheers that, proves data can be lost otherwise such aservice wouldn't exist.

Sandman
So, the existence of a company that prides themselves in being able to recover data from pretty much any data media known to mankind is proof that data can be lost?

Whisky-dave
Yes.

There is NO guarentee they can get you're data back is there.

Sandman
If someone can, these guys can. And in the case of Peter, whose only problem was a supposed "internal switch", they most definitely could have.

Whisky-dave
If someone can..... yes some people can get some data back.