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In article <rg09s91tobb0rfq7kjnfveamiaces08khp@4ax.com>, Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz>wrote:

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The point under discussion was not whether or not people should have backups for data held in cloud storage but whether or not cloud storage can lose data.

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and sometimes you don't need a backup even after you've deleted everything ;-)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-28264446

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'Experts have warned that the only way to completely delete data is to "destroy your phone".'

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note that this does *not* apply to iphones and ipads.

Eric Stevens
What makes them different?

Note: I'm not arguing.

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everything is encrypted.

when you reset an iphone, it discards the encryption key (which isn't the passcode) which means there no longer any way read the data.

you could try to crack that encryption, assuming you can image the device and have a *lot* of time on your hands. good luck on that. plan on a few thousand years, at a minimum.