Subject | Re: Adobe's Low hanging .... ? |
From | Eric Stevens |
Date | 07/16/2014 11:01 (07/16/2014 21:01) |
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nospamWho says? Where did they say it.
In article <18sbs9dj25242ko0h7lfs89mpepd0au7rs@4ax.com>, Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz>wrote:nospamEric StevensnospamEric StevensEric Stevensnospam
You really have difficulty in expressing what you mean. You previously wrote "a cloud outage might be annoying, but the data won't be lost" when you really meant a cloud outage might be annoying, but the data won't be lost as it should be stored in a copy else where.
there is no need to say that since the default is for a copy of the data in the cloud.
Then you should have said it was for the default case. Otherwise it's a generalisation which isn't always correct.
the default does not need to be spelled out. that's why it's called the default.
The trouble was that it was not said to be the default case (rather than the general case) until well into the argument. Nor was the exact nature of the default defined as such until well into the argument. The problem with your failure to exactly define your terms until after the argument is underway is that you use it to duck and weave and genereally confuse the argument.
no, you're blaming your misunderstanding on me when it's you.
there is no need to specify the default case since it's the default case.
Eventually, yes.nospamEric Stevensnospamnot only that, but one of the key advantages of the cloud multiple devices having access, so it's probably in many places. dropbox is a good example.Eric Stevens
now ask yourself how many people have only one copy of their data on a hard drive. the answer is a lot. *they* are the ones who are going to lose data.
Ditto with people and laptops and phones.
no, because a phone is often backed up to the cloud without the user needing to do much of anything.
You have ignored my mention of phones for which the overflow is *stored* - not backed up but *stored* in the cloud. The people who do that are certain their data is secure.
anyone that believes one copy of data is secure is in for a surprise.
and again, that's not the default case.Who says? Where did they say it?
Hoo-boy. One day you will get a surprise.nospamEric StevensnospamEric StevensEric Stevensnospam
Now you say smartphones are "*more* secure since there are no moving parts to fail" when you really meant smartphones are *more* secure since there are no moving parts to fail except buttons and switches which do not store data.
data storage is either on a hard drive or flash memory, not buttons and switches.
So?
it means that the device can have all buttons and switches removed and the data will be there and readable.
Who said anything about their removal?
it was to make a point that the buttons and switches are *irrelevant* to data retention or loss.Eric Stevensnospam
You shouldn't think only in terms of software failures. I know of many cases where failure of devices such as switches, contacts, sensors, gates etc have had quite unintended consequences. I certainly would not rule out the possibility of the loss of data in the event of a failure of buttons and switches.
they won't make one bit of difference.
for example, take a laptop and snap off every key on the keyboard, snap the hinge and pry out the trackpad button.That's the default failure is it? Can't you think of any others?
the data is still on the hard drive, intact.
if the laptop won't boot into target disk mode, simply remove the hard drive and put it in an enclosure.--
nothing is lost.
for a phone, it's in the flash memory. the buttons are home, volume, ring/silent and sleep/wake, none of which matter. the phone will automatically boot when plugged in if it's off so the sleep/wake makes no difference.