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Eric Stevens
SubjectRe: iPad power supply unit (was: Re: Adobe's Low hanging)
FromEric Stevens
Date07/25/2014 00:55 (07/25/2014 10:55)
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On 24 Jul 2014 12:07:21 GMT, Sandman <mr@sandman.net>wrote:

Sandman
In article <98j1t99j3ldkgr76ghuvk5bedso6kt854r@4ax.com>, Eric Stevens wrote:

Tony Cooper
Wait a minute! You've said in another post that people call them different things, and that's OK. So if that's OK, then calling the power adapter a "battery charger" is perfectly legitimate by your rules. If it's used to charge the battery, calling it a "battery charger" is logical.

Sandman
It's not a battery charger, regardless of what people call it.

Eric Stevens
My iPad battery is down to 8%.

What can I do to charge it?

Sandman
It won't fit in a battery charger, so you'd better plug in the adapter plug that connects the PMIC to your wall socket which in turn powers your iPad while also charging the battery.

How many days will you argue about this this time?

I can stop at this point. Most people will be able to readily see how much you have to twist your argument in order to stay in the game.

The USB brick is a power adaptor. It takes the power from your wall socket as input and provides a 5 or 10 volt output to the device. This is not a power supply unit either.

The battery is not a PSU either, the PMIC (power management integrated circuit) chip in the iPad is a the PSU. It takes the power from either the battery *or* the power adapter and provides electrical current to the load (i.e. the iPad).

Wall Socket ->Adapter ->Lightning port ->PMIC ->Motherboard Battery ->PMIC ->Motherboard

Few would call a PMIC a PSU, but it's as close as a PSU you could get to in a mobile device. It's the chip that takes the input power from an energy source (wall socket, battery) and delivers it through a power output to the load.

Eric Stevens
The Qualcomm PM8028 (PMIC) does not supply power and hence cannot be called a Power Supply Unit.

Sandman
That's exactly what it does and exactly what it is called. You can buy it directly from Amazon:

<http://www.amazon.ca/iPhone-Small-Supply-Qualcomm-PM8028/dp/B009F3SDI4>

Eric Stevens
It is basically a switch and decides whether power to iPhone'e operative circuits will be supplied from the battery or the external power adaptor, assuming one is in use.

You say that "supply(ing) power" is "exactly what it does" and have to rely on an Amazon page to support your argument.

You should have done what I did and go to the manufacturer (Qualcomm) for some real information. See http://www.qualcomm.com/chipsets/quick-charge

"Qualcomm® Quick Charge

Less Time Charging. More Time Doing.

Qualcomm Quick Charge, a product of Qualcomm Technologies, Inc., is the next generation of fast charging technology for smartphones, tablets and larger mobile computing devices like slim notebooks. Available today in a wide range of devices, including over 70 that are based on Snapdragon™ processors, Qualcomm Quick Charge is leading the advancement of smartphone battery management."

The PM8028 is an unlisted member of the Qualcomm Quick Charge 1 product range and presumably has been made specifically for Apple. The listed members of that product group are:

PM8x26 PM8038 PM8921 PM8110 SMB346 SMB347 SMB348 SMB358

Qualcomm keeps it's technical information very close to it's chest and I have not been able to find Technical Data Sheets for any of these products. However the page I have referred to you above describes no other function than those related to battery charging. It's sole function is Power Management from an external USB source to the battery in the iPhone. It doesn't supply power itself and is not a power supply. You should also have a look at http://www.qualcomm.com/snapdragon/features/power-management

Sandman
It does a whole lot more than that. It monitors the battery charge, determining whether it needs charging. It manages all power in the unit.

You are guessing. In fact I think you are making it up.

Eric Stevens
In the absence of a power adaptor the iPhone draws power from the battery and the PM2028 serves no function.

Sandman
Incorrect, both PMIC's (Qualcomm and Dialog) have several functions with regards to use of and management of power regardless of power source, such as voltage scaling/regulation and power sequencing, many of which is a lot more important functions when running on battery power since power needs to be managed a lot more carefully then - plus power efficiency is of great importance.

Unless you can produce evidence for this I will continue to believe that you are making it up.

The PMIC's has fewer functions when plugged in to the wall than when not, actually.

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Regards,

Eric Stevens

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