nospam
In article <46361641-ddea-4a8e-94b1-481f313df339@googlegroups.com>, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com>wrote:

since you admit to having a backup, there can't be data loss.

PeterN
The phone data is no longer available on the phone.

Sandman
But your data is not lost, right?

Whisky-dave
Wrong the data is still lost you can get identical data back id indeed it has been backed up.

nospam
if you can get the data back, then it's not lost.

Whisky-dave
But if you can't get it, it's considered lost, that's what lost means. If you lose yuor keys you can get anothe rset vut that doesn;t mean you never lost your keys.

nospam
not the same thing, but since another set can be obtained, there is no loss.

Sandman
If your phone, and your phone only, contained the launch codes to US missile bases, and an "internal switch" made the phone "kaput", then the data would not be considered lost, and would be retrieved by a number of different data retrieval processes.

Whisky-dave
if the phone caught fire then the chance if the SIMM surviving would be small.

nospam
how often does that happen?

Whisky-dave
So in that case data can be lost. This happened to a friends imac, the magic smoke appeared or rather was smelt.

nospam
that just means the logic board or power supply failed.

the hard drive is still intact. nothing is lost especially if there are backups.