Eric Stevens
You really have difficulty in expressing what you mean. You previously wrote "a cloud outage might be annoying, but the data won't be lost" when you really meant a cloud outage might be annoying, but the data won't be lost as it should be stored in a copy else where.

nospam
there is no need to say that since the default is for a copy of the data in the cloud.

Eric Stevens
Then you should have said it was for the default case. Otherwise it's a generalisation which isn't always correct.

nospam
the default does not need to be spelled out. that's why it's called the default.

Eric Stevens
The trouble was that it was not said to be the default case (rather than the general case) until well into the argument. Nor was the exact nature of the default defined as such until well into the argument. The problem with your failure to exactly define your terms until after the argument is underway is that you use it to duck and weave and genereally confuse the argument.

nospam
not only that, but one of the key advantages of the cloud multiple devices having access, so it's probably in many places. dropbox is a good example.

now ask yourself how many people have only one copy of their data on a hard drive. the answer is a lot. *they* are the ones who are going to lose data.

Eric Stevens
Ditto with people and laptops and phones.

nospam
no, because a phone is often backed up to the cloud without the user needing to do much of anything.

Eric Stevens
You have ignored my mention of phones for which the overflow is *stored* - not backed up but *stored* in the cloud. The people who do that are certain their data is secure.

Now you say smartphones are "*more* secure since there are no moving parts to fail" when you really meant smartphones are *more* secure since there are no moving parts to fail except buttons and switches which do not store data.

nospam
data storage is either on a hard drive or flash memory, not buttons and switches.

Eric Stevens
So?

nospam
it means that the device can have all buttons and switches removed and the data will be there and readable.

Eric Stevens
Who said anything about their removal?

You shouldn't think only in terms of software failures. I know of many cases where failure of devices such as switches, contacts, sensors, gates etc have had quite unintended consequences. I certainly would not rule out the possibility of the loss of data in the event of a failure of buttons and switches.