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On 2/24/14, 16:16, Nashton wrote:

Nashton
On 2014-02-24 6:43 AM, Brake Dive, Acceleration Squat, Body Roll Works LLC wrote:

Brake Dive, Acceleration Squat, Body Roll Works LLC
On 2/22/14, 0:33, Nashton wrote:

Nashton
On 2014-02-19 10:00 AM, Brake Dive, Acceleration Squat, Body Roll Works LLC wrote:

Brake Dive, Acceleration Squat, Body Roll Works LLC
On 2/18/14, 17:44, -hh wrote:

-hh
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 7:15:49 AM UTC-5, Nashton wrote:

Nashton
On 2014-02-18 7:15 AM, Brake Dive, Acceleration Squat, Body Roll Works LLC wrote:

Brake Dive, Acceleration Squat, Body Roll Works LLC
[Lloyd wrote]:

Lloyd E Parsons
The one option I didn't see on VWs unless you want to spend way more than I think they're worth is automatic climate control. I really like that.

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Gawd, I hate it with passion.

-hh
YMMV. In addition, some HVAC systems are better than others in terms of how they manage the cabin ... which isn't merely a question of temperature, but rather temperatures (plural): for example, it can be a design challenge to provide good windshield defrost heat while avoiding blasting the driver's face.

Brake Dive, Acceleration Squat, Body Roll Works LLC
get an audi (there is no climate controle remove option) and you will hate it too (in winter anyway, in summer it works fine, in winter there is no fucking in-between "outside cold" and "18C" so I'm wearing fucking parka and don't want no fucking 18C inside the cabin. It's way too hot for me.

-hh
Sounds more likely that you had a malfunctioning one.

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Besides with Audi A4 onwards you get a decent awd for not that much over a baseline fwd whereas on VW it's an (expensive) option.

Nashton
Decent? LOL

-hh
Well, BDASBRW is correct in that VW's charge for functionally grabbing from the parts bin isn't generally a great value.

For 'decency', it really depends on what the customer is looking for. VW used to use the 'Synchro' nomenclature, which I vaguely recall that it did differ from the Audi Quattro systems (somehow): I suspect that it probably was part of the very longstanding (years!) dispute between Haldex and Torsen setups.

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There is no dispute. Most folks recognize haldex for a piece of shit it is. Late engaging lip service to awd on light cars where you apparently have some competitive advantage too if you stick "awd" somewhere on bodyworks.

Nashton
Where, o where did you get that Haldex is a POS and which consensus are you rambling about?

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Let me illustrate how that wonder of swedish engineering "works" with this (dated) video for those who've been living under the rock for the last decade http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyLgYskj-oc

Of course torsen does not shine off road but I've been there only once in A4 and only to pull my beater that got stuck in wet clay. Still it's lightyears ahead of haldex.

Nashton
Now, you don't like Torsen?

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I like torsen quite a bit. I just need a purpose built jeep to navigate thought the shit.

So basically this is a discussion that most likely happens in engineering when yet another marketing genius decides they got to have some sort of awd in a subcompact. - Hey, Hans marketing wantz awd-lookalike in that thing... - Okay Gretzel, lets pull that swedish shit that does not work off the shelves yet again

Nashton
What nonsense. You're getting to be more FOS by the day, honestly.

Brake Dive, Acceleration Squat, Body Roll Works LLC
Sigh. Rolls the eyes. You are a bit slow, aren't you Nicholas? Let me say it slower for you: hal dex do es NOT wo o o rk. Do you still need me to say it slower?

Nashton
Oh boys. You can say it as slow as you want. A Youtube video will not prove that Haldex is crap.

You'll need something more substantial than that. As in a more rigorous comparison, with numbers to support the claim.

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You must be kidding me.

The proof IS in the muddy snowy uphill pudding. It's like the litmus test of awd "systems" separating shit from gems.

And there is an expected shit to gem ratio as found everywhere else in the nature: meaning lots of shit and count 'em gems.