Google| Subject | Re: As with our trolls, the problem wasn't the Mac Pro itself... It's the problem with the morons wh |
| From | -hh |
| Date | 02/18/2014 19:01 (02/18/2014 10:01) |
| Message-ID | <f98a965d-8909-4754-8bfd-39bd8764fd7e@googlegroups.com> |
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| Newsgroups | comp.sys.mac.advocacy |
| Follows | Lloyd E Parsons |
| Followups | Lloyd E Parsons (1h & 10m) > -hh sms (5h & 37m) > -hh |
Lloyd Parsons wrote:
Lloyd E ParsonsUltimately, they're trying to figure out how much the customer can pay and to try to tailor how the deal is _presented_ to close the sale. Here in the East, they're a bit more forthcoming in that they'll come right out and ask the customer what he would like his monthly payments to be (or how much he can 'afford'). Naturally, when it comes to leases, there's more variables that can be manipulated to make a deal look good.
Here's the story behind the in town Chevy dealer... ... the sales guy made his pitch with all kinds of nice salestype lingo, but noticeably he never said what he wanted for the truck. Started talking about how he needed to check credit and all that. So I told him I might just buy it for my son so credit wasn't an issue. He then said he needed to check mine. I told him that if I bought it I would just write a check so my credit wasn't an issue either. Still no price given. Finally I point blank asked him what he wanted, he dodged, so I asked him again, still no price just more bullshit. Finally I told him I knew exactly how much he wanted for the truck. He looked at me in an odd way and asked how I knew that since he hadn't told me. I told him that since the price was that big of a fucking secret it was too damned much... A friend of mine said they tried that same crap on him for new car and his response was pretty much what mine was!! :) The owner of the dealership called me a bit later and...then claimed that not telling the price was not 'normal', though stories abound around town that it is exactly what they still do! Fucking amazing...
Apparently, the dealers are adjusting to the consumer mindset, which is focused on monthly payments (short term) rather than the summed-up total "Bottom Line" (long term)...and those of us who are of the 'long term' mindset are very much now a small minority, which many salesman fail to recognize, making them stumble, fall & FAIL.
I've had a couple of such negotiations where I've had a salesman ask the "monthly payment?" question and I simply redirected them to 'bottom line' first. It often takes a few more whacks with the Clue-By-Four before they realize that the monthly payment simply isn't your (my) metric of interest. Even then, they like to 'forget' to include all of the other price additions, such as title/tags, Sales Tax, etc.
What usually sets them straight (quickly!) on this is when they do finally provide a 'bottom line' price, my clarificational question is "This is after tax, after title, after everything else bottom line final price...right?"
02/07/2014-
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