Subject | Re: Ideological differences between big 3 german, americans and jap trash |
From | Nashton |
Date | 03/01/2014 00:16 (02/28/2014 19:16) |
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Newsgroups | comp.sys.mac.advocacy |
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Brake Dive, Acceleration Squat, Body Roll Works LLCIf you want to have some kind of discussion with me, fine. If you're going to be another bloviating wannabe, let's end it here.
On 2/26/14, 15:48, -hh wrote:-hhBrake Dive, Acceleration Squat, Body Roll Works LLC
Brake Dive, Acceleration Squat, Body Roll Works LLC wrote:-hhBrake Dive, Acceleration Squat, Body Roll Works LLCAlan Baker
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Agreed. I guess few people care if awd actually works otherwise haldex based cars would not sell nearly as well.
Yes, because the generic consumer doesn't care anymore: its classical 'Market Forces' and the consumers believing that they need feature X when they don't generally do, so the consumer never learns if the X they bought was a shitty version or a good version that merits differentiation.
A lot of this in the USA was due to factors of (cheap gas + marketing/profits + Govt Regulations) which conspired to drive a huge increase in the number of SUVs/Light Trucks being purchased...from roughly 5% to 50% since 1990.
I assure you that an average car buyer in the urop is not a whole lot different than that in the US.-hhBrake Dive, Acceleration Squat, Body Roll Works LLC
However, this huge increase was not aligned with a commensurate increase in the consumer use cases which call for this type of vehicle as the solution. As such, the consumer is buying a product with features XYZ but really only using Y...the rest of the attributes are because they think they need them, or they're lazy, etc. They get XYZ because the OEMs are good at marketing, packaging and upselling.
For example, there was a consumer survey done several years ago where one of the key questions they asked was "How often do you take your vehicle off-road?". 95% of the respondents answered "Never".
With this sort of consumer behavior, it then isn't surprising that the resulting market forces steered itself away from locking hubs and manually engaged cases to "Automatic Everything' conveniences which had been promised by the OEMs to be "Just as Good" (even when it was not so).
Well I though with obamaCAFE on their neck the automakers had to squeeze that additional half a foot per gallon out of their behemoths. Apparently it's harder to do with permanent awd setup as evidenced by FHI resorting to me-too obamadrive in 2014 Subaru Fartster giving up symmetrical power distribution between the axles.Brake Dive, Acceleration Squat, Body Roll Works LLC-hhNashtonBrake Dive, Acceleration Squat, Body Roll Works LLC
Well, if you don't, which most people don't, why would anyone care if they don't drive it on the track?
Because I do not go to the track. I do not want understeer on public roads. I want car to turn pronto without an input lag worthy of ios 7 on iphine 5Cheap. Baker have explained in excruciating detail in another post in this thread that no matter how much you mash the fucking go pedal in a turn you only will be greeted with understeer in turns....
FYI, you apparently missed the posts where Nashton revealed that he's just a "mash the pedal" straight-line type. Feel free to ask him why - - despite his prior declarations - - he's now spent more than $70K for a vehicle that cannot do 0-60mph in < 6sec.
Well, I suppose it could if it weren't for a slushbox that will be fried in the attempt due to the strain awd drivetrain will put on it oilcooler present or not. If he's the drag race wannabe I wonder why I have expended the verbiage at all. His vocabulary could have stayed at the "torque steer" level.
Nashton, why haven't you saved a few pennies buying a bulldozer such as SRT4 or a mazdaspeed3 to feed your drag racing needs and wants?
Really? And your A4 would perform how around the twisties compared to my Maxima? Wanna bet it'll blow your little A4 out of the water?Brake Dive, Acceleration Squat, Body Roll Works LLCRight, I don't want an understeering bulldozer regardless whether it's 4pot turbo mazdaspeed or a 6 pot boat anchor of maxima. Thanks.-hh
BTW, any idea how far down the Autobahn's social hierarchy list that a Nissan would be? The lists that I've seen only cover the big five German brands (P-MB-BMW-A-VW).
After all, Q7 Maxima Boy here has claimed that he purchases his Marquees based on their heritage and prestige too.
right. pretty much around the potty level I'd think. Where it rightfully belongs though.
I see you and -hh have really hit it off.Brake Dive, Acceleration Squat, Body Roll Works LLC-hhNashtonBrake Dive, Acceleration Squat, Body Roll Works LLC
OK, but you don't know what kind of condition we deal with up here. It's abysmal. Especially since budget cuts have made road maintenance a non priority. I would have loved to get a Q50, but I'd be digging myself out of ditches and worse.
Why?
Good question, since it has AWD and he's previously claimed that his job is such that he doesn't need to leave home on days with lousy weather. Better pull up the popcorn to kick back for this little show ;-)-hhNashton
And an A4 is hardly conducive to transporting more than 2 people and very small kids in the back.Brake Dive, Acceleration Squat, Body Roll Works LLC
Yes. It's a challenge. It's easier to do in your maxivan. Thank you Captain Obvious again for stating this.NashtonBrake Dive, Acceleration Squat, Body Roll Works LLC
Well, we are discussing cars and I happen to own-sorry, drive one. Why would I not bring it up? Especially since i consider it to be the best compromise on the market today for my needs?
Mostly because X5 makes a better sense for lease. Given the audi attentition to zincing the chassis rust through perforation might have been deciding factor if you wanted Q7 for keeps, but you don't, so competing bmw product makes a whole lot of sense (because it's probably more fun to drive and is about the same money)...
Of course, an actual minivan would offer even better people hauling utility, but it wouldn't be as marquee-prestigeous or as fun/engaging of a drive. Of course, an A6 or a 335GT would be better still, and without the whining of insufficient back seat legroom even for adults.
You saw any 4WD or AWD minivans lately (like made in this century for US market) this side of SUVs? He's in canada mind you.Brake Dive, Acceleration Squat, Body Roll Works LLCunless you are in the same predicament as I am == few bmw dealers in the neighbourhood == high probability of receiving shitty service in some dept some day and having nowhere to turn.-hh
Well, this does apply for him for Audi ... he barely has one choice within an hour's drive.
does he have any VW fallback options or that's not an option for [s]nob hill wannabes?