Google| Subject | Re: Ideological differences between big 3 german, americans and jap trash |
| From | Lloyd E Parsons |
| Date | 02/24/2014 16:05 (02/24/2014 09:05) |
| Message-ID | <bn15drFljgtU1@mid.individual.net> |
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| Newsgroups | comp.sys.mac.advocacy |
| Follows | Brake Dive, Acceleration Squat, Body Roll Works LLC |
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On 2014-02-24 14:26:16 +0000, Brake Dive, Acceleration Squat, Body Roll Works LLC said:
Brake Dive, Acceleration Squat, Body Roll Works LLCSo it isn't the car's intelligence, it is yours in picking the one's set up that meet the driving you're planning on doing. Makes perfect sense.
On 2/24/14, 17:13, Lloyd E Parsons wrote:Lloyd E ParsonsBrake Dive, Acceleration Squat, Body Roll Works LLC
On 2014-02-24 10:38:15 +0000, Brake Dive, Acceleration Squat, Body Roll Works LLC said:Brake Dive, Acceleration Squat, Body Roll Works LLCLloyd E Parsons
On 2/23/14, 16:51, Nashton wrote:NashtonBrake Dive, Acceleration Squat, Body Roll Works LLC
On 2014-02-23 2:53 AM, Brake Dive, Acceleration Squat, Body Roll Works LLC wrote:Brake Dive, Acceleration Squat, Body Roll Works LLCNashton
On 2/22/14, 21:16, Alan Baker wrote:Alan Baker
On 2014-02-22 15:05:42 +0000, Nashton said:NashtonAlan Baker
On 2014-02-21 12:49 PM, Brake Dive, Acceleration Squat, Body Roll Works LLC wrote:Brake Dive, Acceleration Squat, Body Roll Works LLCNashton
On 2/21/14, 16:28, Lloyd E Parsons wrote:Lloyd E ParsonsBrake Dive, Acceleration Squat, Body Roll Works LLC
On 2014-02-21 12:48:36 +0000, -hh said:Lloyd E ParsonsBrake Dive, Acceleration Squat, Body Roll Works LLC-hh
A4 have relatively soft suspensers (soft enough to make me swear nearly evry time I taxi as my apartment complex taxiways over the lying cops and hit the cops with the undercarriage). But it retains composure taking turns. I dunno if it got swaybars worthy of a teenage hardon or what, but it's not your average buick boat rolling into every turn no matter how mildly taken. And it does not squat on starts. And it does not dive during braking. Go figure out how zee Germans managed those feats.
The A4 does some, as will any vehicle that doesn't have a dynamically controlled active suspension technology. In any event, your option on Buicks as being sloppy old boats is a dated one; in fact, the model that Lloyd bought _has_ a German designed suspension system courtesy of Opal which isn't shabby. True, might not be as sharply turned as others, but the old high seas "Boat" paradigm is dead.
Yes, the 'boat' ride is gone in the Buicks of today. I drove both the Encore cross-over and Verano, neither resembled my 2009 LaCrosse's soft ride nor did they corner the same.
Right, they fixed the ride, but now you've got problems with the fucking understeer, cause the fucking thing got fwd.
Premium car? No fucking way.
You mean torque steer. At least get your terms straight.
He might mean torque steer...
...but front wheel drive is pretty notorious for understeer as well.NashtonAlan Baker
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As for Lloyd and his contention that Buicks of today bear no resemblance to older models, at least the older models had some power.
And I'd rather have a plush ride in a NA car, than a stiffer suspension on a car that is tuned to be stiffer, just to satisfy the crowd that buys them and convince them that it is more "European" in its handling than older Cruise ship, boat-anchors.
Now if you want a 4WD with virtually no undesteer, get a 300 HP Maxima and fit it with a front and rear torsion bar and Eibach springs or coilovers and the thing is a rocket ship and sticks to the road during cornering like the tarmac was made from the underside of duct tape.
The Maxima is FRONT wheel drive, not FOUR wheel drive, Nicolas.
Yeah, I wasn't aware of that, thanks for pointing it out.
Jesus.......Brake Dive, Acceleration Squat, Body Roll Works LLCNashton
Precisely. Shitload of understeer.
You are very prone to hyperbole. First, you declare that Haldex is universally considered junk and now this.
I don't know about "universally" it's crap in my book (both as a concept and as an implementations available to date) and that's all I care about.NashtonBrake Dive, Acceleration Squat, Body Roll Works LLC
If you drive it like a sports car, you can feel the understeer.
Thank you Captain Obvious.NashtonBrake Dive, Acceleration Squat, Body Roll Works LLC
Hint, I don't. If anything, I'm more concerned about torque steer. And they have done a superb job in tuning it out.
... and it's also absent on a lot of cheaper cars.Brake Dive, Acceleration Squat, Body Roll Works LLCI'd rather get a stang than maxima if I were in the states. Maxima only advantage is that it's a 4 door muscle car rather than 2 door.Nashton
And I drive in crappy conditions, i.e. snow and ice.
Right. That's precisely why I want rwd: to get the ass around quicker with the gas pedal.NashtonBrake Dive, Acceleration Squat, Body Roll Works LLC
A Mustang? Another cruise ship boat anchor.
Ok, I haven't driven one. And given that I'm not in the states I probably won't. But it's not expensive and it makes sense for some empty nested americans who don't want to pay for intelligence of a euro car.
What makes you think the euro cars are so intelligent? Because they speak multiple languages? :)
It's because their suspension setup and drivetrain layout meets my purposes. Not to mention the sound insulation.
It means that the specifications for the car are correct (they meet my wants).
Mine then is just as intelligent since it meets the wants I have.
I have to say that other than Chrysler products, I've had few real issues with any car I've owned. With Chryslers I am fully convinced I could buy a new one and have to u-turn to the service department on delivery!! :(Lloyd E ParsonsBrake Dive, Acceleration Squat, Body Roll Works LLC
Or because they help you learn the service manager's name since you'll be giving him lots of time and money!
It's no worse than my 92 Subaru Legacy from hell. That was the worst money pit in my life. I hope it to stay that way.
And the Audi I had from years ago that was a kick in the ass to drive, also liked to drive to the service department a lot for relatively little things, but lots of them.
Yeah, the Mustang is muscle in most years and not so much for hairy roads.Lloyd E ParsonsBrake Dive, Acceleration Squat, Body Roll Works LLC
In most model years, the Mustang is a great car to drive.
I hope I'd never know. Panhard rod in the ass is not my ideal of the rear suspension setup cause I like to take bumpy corners briskly. And I assure you a good chunk of corners around here are anything but seamless.
Shitty roads are what separates brilliant suspension setup from a mediocre one.And I wouldn't argue that.
So euro cars in my view are about brains and 'stang is about muscle.
My Buick meets my needs/wants. It isn't muscle, but it handles well for the driving I'll be doing. It is dressed out in a manner I find pleasing and it is comfortable to drive. If I were driving different and my body was much younger, it most likely wouldn't be the choice though Buick is trying to get to a younger crowd these days.
The boaty ride is gone from the entire lineup, the engine/tranny combo is much tighter than in the past as in you are very aware of the powertrain around town as it shifts and so forth. That wasn't the case even as recently as the 2009 models. 2010 was when they started making some serious changes in what defines a Buick. They still have the quiet ride that Buicks are known for, but it isn't quite the same as in previous models.
-- Lloyd
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