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SubjectRe: Ideological differences between big 3 german, americans and jap trash
From-hh
Date02/23/2014 13:16 (02/23/2014 04:16)
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FollowupsAlan Baker (7h & 38m) > -hh
Brake Dive, Acceleration Squat, Body Roll Works LLC wrote:

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On 2/22/14, 18:41, -hh wrote:

-hh
On Saturday, February 22, 2014 10:05:42 AM UTC-5, Nashton wrote:

Nashton
You mean torque steer.

-hh
No, he means understeer, although not necessarily for the reason he claims.

Brake Dive, Acceleration Squat, Body Roll Works LLC
When you get at least 50% of torque to the rear axle it's a piece o cace to rotate the car once you will have turned ESP off.

Into oversteer.

So yes I meant understeer in the drivetrain layout context.

Power application can certainly induce Under/Over, but since its observable even when the throttle is neutral, weight distribution plays a large part as well. The Q7's is front-biased 52%-48%, which will induce more understeer plowing.

Though subaru with it's outgoing symmetrican layout is notoriously unwilling to rotate.

Their 'symmetrical' system used to refer to an abolishment of unequal left/right drive shaft lengths, which was an influence on torque steer. I'm not sure that that design element would have any particular influence on under/over-steer....its more likely IMO to be from an ABS braking system based approach in the form of a 'Stability' system that provides correctional forces through wheel braking - I've had vehicles which had this and the system's contribution was quite obvious under certain conditions.

I guess it's a moot point in a pig such as Q7.

Nicolas "needs" his Q7 because half his kids are now away at University, so there's fewer passengers around day-to-day in need of a ride. An alternative would have also have had been to take the same total amount of money and buy three Buicks - - - but this was considered unacceptable because of a loss of control and influence: they then would have been both away from home _and_ with personal transportation freedom.

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