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Cryofax (jack_shappa@hotmail.com): "Here I go again, with another 'Geez

is the deal with the JWK bashing?' post. I'm sorry but his reply just

be in the vein of the whole discussion. It was a well thought reply to a

made by another during a debate. That makes him an asshole?"

Wes Hutchings (<A

"His single-minded ability to see Nazis in EVERYTHING is the problem."

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James King: "Liar! I have qualified every use of the term 'Nazi' in

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post of mine which ever mentioned the word. It's not my fault that you

find a single credible argument to rebut the merits of my points,

since George Lucas has now more than validated my concerns. And I defy you

prove otherwise in credible and lucid terms. *I absolutely defy you to do

Wes Hutchings
"We have, on numerous occassions. The one which I did so

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succinctly was when you described the Nazi breeding program as synonomous

that of the Jedi, forgetting that the Jedi don't have a breeding

James King: "Liar! I alluded to how the Jedi's taking of Force-capable-qualifying babies and toddlers away from their families was

grimly evocative of that division of the Nazi Liebensborn program which

*already-born children* with 'good Aryan German features' (blond hair,

eyes, 'Aryan' facial shape) away from their non-'Aryan'-German parents in

countries occupied by the Third Reich."

Wes Hutchings: "Show where I lied."

I just did above. (Duhhhhh!)

Wes Hutchings: "Since the children the Jedi have 'taken' to date have

be given voluntarily and have not been placed in a breeding program and in

only number to 10k in a entire galaxy, your point is again shit."

Bogus issue and false parallel. I have never compared the Jedi's appropriation of young children from their parents to the other "baby

breeding programs of the Leibensborn program anyway. And I defy you to go

www.google.com/groups and find statements to that effect supposedly

myself. *I absolutely defy you to do so.*

As to the number 10,000 for the number of Jedi in Faraway Galaxy at

time of the Prequels, I do not include Padewans in that number because

not full-fledged Jedi. We could also suppose that some elderly Jedi

too, and wouldn't be counted in that number because they're no longer

For if the Jedi are to be anything remotely like a thin blue line of

a galaxy teaming with trillions of inhabitants, the number 10,000 ought to apply only to those full-fledged, still-active Jedi and not include

and retired (no-longer-active) Jedi.

But your argument of numbers (that there are only some 10,000 Jedi in

galaxy in the Prequel-Trilogy period) is beside the point. Thus far, the

children taken away from their families haven't yet been portrayed as

any regular or sporadic contact with their birth parents or families --

*that's* yet another compelling factor that puts me off altogether,

that similarity makes its comparison to the occupied-territory-child-appropriation division of the Leibensborn program

the more striking, since those children taken by the Nazis from their

were never meant to see their birth families again, either. So, it matters

how many children the Jedi took away from their families, for even if they

away only one child under such birth-family-disassociative conditions,

already one child too many.

And it certainly doesn't impress me in the least that Lucas fostered

notion by leaving Anakin's mom back on Tatooine when the only thing

between her and freedom was a mere price tag! After Queen Amidala had

Anakin for winning the podrace, saying something to the effect that she

him everything, it's absolutely astounding that Lucas would not have established through implicative scripting that sometime during the interim between the interim between the end of the Battle of Naboo and the

reconcilliation ceremony at the end of the movie that Amidala had sent

emissaries of hers to Tatooine to buy his mother out of bondage,

after Anakin saved her planet, too, by blowing up the Trade Federation battlestation.

In fact, buying Shmi Skywalker out of bondage would have been the

that Amidala could have done to repay Anakin. Indeed, the movie badly

some sort of genuine emotional pay-off at its conclusion because it was

something of an empty Christmas stocking in terms of emotional pay-off as

was. And what better time for Queen Amidala to have sprung a surprise

for Anakin and his mother than during the Gungan-Naboo reconcilliation

at the end of the movie.

That act of kindness would have also provided a genuine touchstone in Episode One for why Anakin would later on fall in love with Amidala, too.

-- James King