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Re: Calumet files Chapter 7

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SubjectRe: Calumet files Chapter 7
FromSandman
Date04/02/2014 09:19 (04/02/2014 09:19)
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In article <haemj9h6orv6nlir7adjtloh7hnkskrv3b@4ax.com>, Tony Cooper wrote:

Tony Cooper
nospam goes into every discussion thinking that his position is the only right position.

nospam
everyone does that. that's what drives discussions. who goes into a discussion thinking that they're wrong??

Tony Cooper
You could respond to what I said, not what I didn't say. I don't phrase my comments without thought.

Hehe

There's a vast difference between thinking you are right and thinking that your position is the *only* right position. When there are options of ways to do things, there is often more than one right way to do them.

How did that change nospam's reply, Tony? If he would have said:

"who goes into a discussion thinking their position is wrong?"

It wouldn't have changed his meaning at all. No one does that. Humble and mature people can have their position swayed when proof and substantiations are brought forward, and then we have people like you, who will argue your position for days no matter how insane it is.

nospam
false. some online sellers have a *lot* of sales help on their site, including extensive faqs, video demos, wizards that ask questions to narrow down the choices, phone support and even online chat for questions, user reviews and links to other information.

some sellers have very generous return policies so you can buy and handle the product with no risk, other than having to ship it back if you don't like it, which is nothing more than a quick trip to the post office.

Tony Cooper
It's always the buyer's responsibility to do their own homework. There's no reason the in-store buyer can't check the reviews and customer ratings of something before they make the purchase.

nospam
nobody said they can't do that, but most people don't.

Tony Cooper
If that's true, then all that "online help" above isn't going to be taken advantage of either.

Why not? It is found in direct relation to the product they're vieweing online. Checking reviews and ratings *before* you enter a store isn't really a smooth buyer experience.

I don't know how you come to the conclusion about "most people", though. It's that kind of hand-waving hyperbole that's a turn-off.

Yeah...

Tony Cooper 10/20/2013 <d788695nub9avlhq8blgdlbb42l1dsfiqt@4ax.com>

"They are called "bridge cameras". If you write "bridges", most people would understand what you mean."

Tony Cooper 08/17/2013 <39ov0998vjsbk4rl65angc5pn38179bgqs@4ax.com>

"Most people wouldn't have to move anything prior to import, but the suggestion was made to someone who has accumulated 32,000 images with what I consider to be a rather cumbersome folder/file naming system."

Tony Cooper 08/11/2013 <0cgd09lmve0g0458upli6kkhe5b6984goq@4ax.com>

"Adopting the catch phrase associated with bullies is not exactly what most people would want to do."

Tony Cooper Re: Fireworks 07/07/2013 <4seht8d2dqa13igrulfrf41h2b97csrlpj@4ax.com>

"Most people just include the burst, and that's overdone."

Tony Cooper 05/31/2013 <4p1hq8d09e4intb0iovuec7v9b2e6817og@4ax.com>

"Oh. Well, so what? It's an establishing shot that is one of a series. Not one that most people would look at closely."

There's more, of course, but still - what a "turn off"!

He won't be able to. That's typical hyperbole from nospam.

nospam
i am *always* able to back up what i say. as i said in another post, i was looking for a lens case and a local store had one for around $30 and b&h had it for $17 or so (i don't remember exact prices). that's about double.

Tony Cooper
So a $10 difference, after shipping charges, of one item establishes that camera stores charge double? And, you had to wait for delivery. What if you needed it today? What if what is offered online is a knock-off product from China that isn't as good a quality?

Tony working hard to make it seem the prices quoted aren't "about double" by adding unrelated parameters. And now B&H sells low-quality knock-offs from China?

It all comes around to my position that there is often more than one "right" way to do things.

As long as it's not nospam's way to do things, that is. That can never be right, no matter what.

Buying online can be the right thing and buying from a store can be the right thing. You can't discount other people's preferences just because they aren't yours.

I suppose this is where you should be quoting nospam discounting other people's preferences?

Slightly off-topic...the father of one of the boys on my grandson's Babe Ruth baseball team recently purchased a Canon 70D with a 18-135 lens from Best Buy. He showed me the receipt, and it was almost $2,000 with bag, two 32 gig cards, bag, and some sort of extended warranty. He doesn't know what "RAW" is, he shoots on whatever Canon's Auto setting is, he doesn't know what ISO is, and he has no idea how to capture sports scenes.

Did he do the right thing? Not from my perspective, but he's happy. It was right for him.

What does "right" have to do with it? It's his money and no one but himself can judge whether he spent them wisely. Not being knowledgable about camera details does not make this an "incorrect" purchase, for all we know, he has always nurtured a desire to learn more about it, in which case a 70D is a perfectly good choice.

-- Sandman[.net]

Tony Cooper (17h & 34m) > Sandman