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Re: Calumet files Chapter 7

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SubjectRe: Calumet files Chapter 7
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Date04/01/2014 23:35 (04/01/2014 17:35)
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Newsgroupsrec.photo.digital
FollowsScott Schuckert
FollowupsPeterN (1h & 34m)

In article <250320140956498251%not@aol.com>, Scott Schuckert <not@aol.com>wrote:

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competitive doesn't mean below cost.

however, it does mean not charging as much as twice the price as available elsewhere, for the same item.

offer products and services to make customers want to buy from you, otherwise they aren't going to. it's really that simple.

either adapt to the changing landscape of online shopping or be gone. that's harsh but that's just how it is.

Scott Schuckert
You really don't want to be swayed from your agenda, do you?

there's no agenda.

You seem to want "competitive pricing." Would you care to define that for me? Granted, I've been out of the business a long time, but things don't seem to have changed - only difference is, customers order from a web page, not over the phone.

online is not only replacing phone orders, but also replacing visiting stores.

And, to be honest, some of the very worst mail order scum have been put out of business.

as well they should.

unfortunately, the scum online sellers can easily create a new name and a nice looking web site within hours. their addresses are mail drops or someone's house. users can't tell it's just a front for the same scam site that was shut down days before unless they do some research.

Now, when I left the business, I had three stores, so I wasn't the tiniest of the tiny. Keeping the doors open, paying and training staff, incoming shipping, all the little things that put a camera on the counter for you to look at, cost about 12-15% over the cost of goods. In other words, if the invoice for a camera read $100, I was selling at a loss if the price didn't exceed $112. Then, there's that troublesome little "profit" thing, so add another 5-7%. So, the selling price goes to at least $117.

Now, the mail order/internet seller, with his lower costs and much, much larger volume is selling the same item for $99. It probably cost him $92. Who's in the wrong here? Customers vote with their wallet; they've voted that all the services I offered like demonstration, free training, rental darkroom, contests, photo gallery, equipment rentals, etc. were not worth eighteen dollars to them. I get that, I'm not in that business anymore. Nor are a lot of other people.

you can't compete and lost.

someone else did a better job than you did of offering what the public wanted at a price they were willing to pay.

harsh, but that's how it works.

Now, here's a challenge for you: SHOW US a camera (not a lens cap or a battery) that sells for twice at much in a retail store as through a mail order house. Exact same, current model and brand, that is, say, $200 at Cardinal Camera in Lansdale Pa. and $100 at B&H in New York. Or any other comparable vendors.

i never said cameras cost twice as much. i said some stuff does, which is true.

in particular, a couple of years ago i was looking for a lens case for my 80-200 so i went to the local store to see what they had and what fit. their prices were about double that of b&h (something like $17 versus $30 but i don't remember exactly). as much as i like that store, i was not paying double.

when i bought my nikon d50 long ago, it was $400 online and in the $600 range in a store. a store is going to have to offer a *lot* of services to justify that.

In the meantime, stop making out like small resellers are doing anything "wrong" - other than trying to best serve their customers, and the customers want "cheap" over "full service."

the problem is that the stores aren't serving their customers, which is why their customers are going elsewhere.

if the stores were actually serving their customers, they would still have customers and they would not go out of business.

this isn't just camera stores either. bookstores are going away because people are now buying ebooks. many other types of stores are downsizing or going away. stores need to adapt to the changes or they won't be around for very long.

PeterN (1h & 34m)