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Re: mac sales down

Steve Carroll
SubjectRe: mac sales down
FromSteve Carroll
Date05/16/2008 18:26 (05/16/2008 10:26)
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In article <znu-B6A010.01085916052008@news.individual.net>, ZnU <znu@fake.invalid>wrote:

ZnU
In article <2jcn24t8jbku7pnal9dg503ccbf1u5tovu@4ax.com>, Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com>wrote:

Mayor Of R'lyeh
On Mon, 12 May 2008 02:38:52 -0400, ZnU <znu@fake.invalid>wrote:

ZnU
In article <sckf24l7di9alnaoqgob99f28kiec8l9kb@4ax.com>, Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com>wrote:

Mayor Of R'lyeh
On Sun, 11 May 2008 23:59:36 -0500, Chance Furlong <t-bone@megakatcity.com>wrote:

Chance Furlong
In article <rfhf24teh4oktrgobjans1hdr73g1unq7g@4ax.com>, Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com>wrote:

Mayor Of R'lyeh
On Sun, 11 May 2008 22:12:47 -0600, Warchild <bob@bob.com> wrote:

Warchild
That old horseshoe has been disproved time and time again.

Mayor Of R'lyeh
Only when artificially skewed in the Mac's favor.

Chance Furlong
How is it artificially skewed in the Mac's favor? I ask for in formation only.

Mayor Of R'lyeh
The most glaring example of that is the insistence of using the Mac as the baseline instead of the user's wants and/or needs.

ZnU
Doing a cost comparison based on some hypothetical user's needs is useless in an advocacy group, though, because one can trivially define the user's needs to make the Mac look bad. For instance, insist that the user needs a particular graphics card only available in a high-end tower on the Mac side, but that can be tossed into a free slot on an $800 Windows tower, and then screech about how the Mac costs 5x as much, ignoring the fact that it's a vastly more powerful machine in every other way.

Mayor Of R'lyeh
Actually we don't need to do that. Sales figures do that for us.

ZnU
Only in some right-wing fantasy world where all market participants have perfect information and make perfect choices. In the real world, markets don't always produce the best possible outcome.

"right-wing fantasy world"? LOL! The "outcome" being produced in this "real world" market is what it is and the Mini is tanking in that market!

Apple's numbers are up and the Mini isn't in that picture. Apple is still ignoring the portion of the market where the average system price resides. Not upgrading the Mini for as long as they have is a mistake and it sends the continued message that Apple doesn't want to compete in that market segment. It's a shame, too, because this segment holds the largest growth potential.

Mayor Of R'lyeh
And there's no need to use hypotheticals. We all know that most people just don't do anything very intense with their computers. There's no need to require certain models of graphics cards.

ZnU
Yet it's fairly common game in this newsgroup to come up with some obscure requirement the Mac can't fulfill and then claim it's not a serious computer as a result.

Oh c'mon... those are Edwin's arguments and you know why he makes them.

-- "Apple is pushing how green this is - but it [Macbook Air] is clearly disposable... when the battery dies you can pretty much just throw it away". - Snit

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