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Re: mac sales down

Mayor Of R'lyeh
SubjectRe: mac sales down
FromMayor Of R'lyeh
Date05/15/2008 05:41 (05/14/2008 23:41)
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On Tue, 13 May 2008 00:58:50 -0400, ZnU <znu@fake.invalid>wrote:

ZnU
In article <r81i2493mg7ii0vqdtv8m1o2k08vko0vnp@4ax.com>, Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com>wrote:

Mayor Of R'lyeh
On Mon, 12 May 2008 14:57:49 -0700, George Graves <gmgraves2@comcast.net>wrote:

George Graves
On Mon, 12 May 2008 13:18:23 -0700, ZnU wrote (in article <znu-5B168E.16182312052008@news.individual.net>):

ZnU
Will they do it? I don't see them having much interest, at the moment. But who anticipated the Mac mini, introduced as a $500 Mac when the cheapest Mac was previously nearly twice that price, or the Xserve, a product targeted at a market in which Apple had previously shown no interest at all?

George Graves
The thing is that any computer designed to compete in that space would have to be more computer than the Mini. Let's face it, for the cost of a Mini one can buy or build a Windows box with near Mac tower performance and capability. Not that the Mini isn't useful, it certainly is, it just doesn't stack-up, hardware wise, very well against similar priced Winbox offerings. It's main appeal is that it runs OSX. This makes it worthwhile to those who value OSX, but to our local Windroids and Winscum here, many of which have never even seen, much less used OSX (Edwin), the Mini merely looks overpriced.

Mayor Of R'lyeh
Mac user (at work anyway) here to say that the Mini is grossly overpriced for what it is. If the higher end Mini were priced at $500 and the lower end one at $300 they'd be flying out the doors.

ZnU
It's priced quite well for a small form-factor system, but many buyers probably don't care much about the form factor.

Which is one of Apple's problems. They're so focused on being 'cool' that it comes before providing things people care about.

Apple could make the thing a fair bit cheaper by just making it a bit larger, so it wouldn't have to use laptop RAM and optical & hard drives.

The 'parts are expensive' excuse for Apple's pricing has been blown out of the water more times than the French Navy. Its especially hard to justify this now that everybody uses the same parts. There are PC laptops with similar features to the Mini for less money which makes your argument obviously not true.

(Though it's also worth noting the Mac mini hasn't seen an update in something like nine months -- it'll probably be much more competitive after the next update. Though that will probably take the form of better specs at the same price points. Unless it has been so long since the last update because Apple is up to something....)

And unless its priced in line with those specs nothing will change.