Subject | Re: ISO value names are becoming ridiculous |
From | Whisky-dave |
Date | 01/06/2016 15:40 (01/06/2016 06:40) |
Message-ID | <f97cb4e5-840a-47c7-ab91-1e7853f6650c@googlegroups.com> |
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Newsgroups | rec.photo.digital |
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Followups | Sandman (30m) > Whisky-dave |
SandmanWhy limit it to bitmaps ?, surely we are talking about light intensity of things which is irrespective of the shutter speed or aperature. Ideally brightness could be measure as apparentyl magnitude which is how astronomy is done.
In article <f0f8cc67-6eee-4d36-a899-6fc3c40bcfe1@googlegroups.com>, Whisky-dave wrote:SandmanSo with the D5, it can boost its ISO to ISO 3,280,000, and suddenly how ISO is named is becoming just stupid. We should use EV steps instead:Whisky-dave
SO why start at -1 ?
The base would be what is today called ISO 100, which corresponds to an expected brightness level of the resulting bitmap image.
So ISO 50 is one step lower than that, naturally.not a 'step' but half I'd say.
I don;t remmeber having problems when I was exposing film at 10 ASA up to 6400 ASA, I doubt I'd have any trouble working out what 12,800 would have meant either. which is why DIN or EV would be better than ISO as sensitivities increase as they do today.SandmanThat would put more normal values to these numbers. The Hi5 setting of the D5 sounds unbelievably high, which of course it also is, but it's "only" twice as "sensitive" as ISO 12,800, but the way ISO is named makes it look stupid as fuck.Whisky-dave
are you sure about that as it makes NO sense or is it nonsense. Doubling the ISO effectively doubles or makes it twice as sensitive to light meaing you only need half the exposure.
Which people understand when you talk about ISO 200 or ISO 6400 because those numbers are easier to understand.
While few understand it's "only" five exposure stops between those values and they may seem like a larger difference than what they really are, the entire system falls apart when you compare ISO 102,400 with ISO 3,276,800, which is also a five stop difference.We could round them up/down to 100k and 3M , it wouldnt; make any more differnnce than goign from 1/8 to 1/15th rathe rthan a 1/16th which is a speed I've never seen on a camera, but it should be their as should 1/32 1/64th 1/128 1/256 1/512 in fact with sensors and cameras being described as digital we should really be using digital teminology so 1/8th would be 125ms With digital we could do the same with aperatures there's no need to stick to the old anolgue f5.6 why not have f5 f5.5 f6 f6,5 etc...
But that would have no meaing just arbitary which would be fine for smart phones users although they don't have to use any refernce(s) do they so why do 'photographers ? as it doesnt; mean as much as it used to.SandmanAnd, when talking about ISO, you'd just say "it was shot at ISO 3" instead of ISO 800.Whisky-dave
Might be better to not use the same term ISO.
I considered that, but this is by now so entrenched that it's hard to change too much. SB+5 might work, SB for signal boost. :)
EV is for sensitivity really as it was the measure of the light level inside the camera not of the subject brightness.SandmanAnd the new D5 would have a max ISO value of "ISO EV+10" which can be pushed in-camera to "ISO EV+15", which would still be equally impressive.Whisky-dave
EV values already have a meaning best not to change them.
Yes, and ISO can be part of the EV. So when changing the EV by using the ISO setting, it would be "ISO EV+4" for instance. Meaning that with "ISO EV 0", ISO is no part of changing the EV.