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Re: Will Tony apologize? (w...

Eric Stevens
SubjectRe: Will Tony apologize? (was: Re: Colonial Photo & Hobby)
FromEric Stevens
Date2014-05-04 01:05 (2014-05-04 11:05)
Message-ID<2oram954pmo3k7fnbfne837tu18rsdb3ka@4ax.com>
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On 30 Apr 2014 14:49:45 GMT, Sandman <mr@sandman.net>wrote:

Sandman
In article <f0u1m9lumh0464lrfpjpilaompficihag7@4ax.com>, Tony Cooper wrote:

Tony Cooper
He's going to claim he has experience with it in some past life or something. You know he's not going to just admit he's ignorant.

Eric Stevens
But he doesn't have to, does he?

Sandman
I've already said that I used Agent, what's to "admit"?

Eric Stevens
When, and for how long?

Tony Cooper
Somehow, I don't think you'll get an answer to that.

Sandman
Why not? What do I have to hide? Somehow you seem to think that I know nothing about Agent, and just dislike it out of the blue for no reason what so ever.

Things I dislike about Forte Agent:

* Filtering It can't filter messages in any useful way. I have tons of filters and scores set up to highlight threads I've participated in, highlight posts that are in direct reply to me, set colors on different groups of people (trolls etc).

It can't set colours, that is true, but Agent can certainly filter messages. See Help >Language >Expression Language

"Agent's expression language is versatile. You can either create solely word-based expressions, or you can also include "regular expression" phrases (a more sophisticated expression form developed by UNIX users). Although regular expressions are less straightforward than using simple word-based expressions, they're much more powerful. You can refer to the topic Regular Expressions Reference and try them out. You might also want to look at some good Expression Examples to see some of the different things you can accomplish."

Agent has a "filter" function, but can't filter on most of the headers in a posts, including the References header, which really sucks.

That's only if you confine yourself to the simple premade filter functions on the tool bar. If you use Global Search you can read and filter on every part of a message header.

* Fonts Agent uses "variable-pitch" fonts for plain text messages, so you have to set a fixed width font for "variable-pitch messages" to make them appear correctly.

Whether or not fonts are variable pitch is configurable.

* Message list Agent display the author name in he subject column for follow-ups, even if the subject has changed, leaving the author field empty, but still obstructing the hierachy view if it grows longer to the right, forcing you to resize columns to see all posts.

THis is a problem only if you have a very small screen. The way I have mine configured is that each follow-up is offset to the right by three characters from the one preceding it and I have limited follow-up to a depth of thirty. *Normal* threads rarely exceed thirty. I use only a fraction of my screen. On threads like this one I would need an enormous screen to see all posts. That I can't doesn't bother me.

* Threading By default, Agent threads by subject line instead of the RFC-compliant References header, confusing its user to think that a new thread has been created when the poster only changed the subject.

If the user doesn't like it that way the user can easily unset the relevant tick box.

* No scoring A decent news client should have scoring, meaning that filters apply scores to a post, and under a certain threshold, the post will be highlighted or killed. So you can have a filter that if "Nikon" is mentioned, the score increases by 100, but if "Andreas Skitsnack" is the author, the score decreases by 200, which means that even if Andreas talks about Nikon, I won't be interested in what he has to say.

Agent is able to set 'priority' which I think does what you want. Simple applications can be generated through the tool bar. More complex will require use of Agent's expression language. I've never tried doing it as I have never felt the need.

I think you are struggling to find reasons why you don't like Agent. --

Regards,

Eric Stevens

Sandman (8h & 29m)