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Eric Stevens
SubjectRe: Will Tony apologize? (was: Re: Colonial Photo & Hobby)
FromEric Stevens
Date2014-04-25 00:10 (2014-04-25 10:10)
Message-ID<3b2jl9l77avnh7djqurqqmro92m2piv1nn@4ax.com>
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On 24 Apr 2014 12:08:23 GMT, Sandman <mr@sandman.net>wrote:

Sandman
In article <62nhl992rsj8ddffgpkrn4qb3997uodc02@4ax.com>, Eric Stevens wrote:

This is where you quote me calling someone a liar when thay made an unintentional mistake. Failure to do so will be considered accepting my claim that it has never happened.

I don't call people liars without reason, as you well know.

I take your silence as a you acknowledging that I don't call people liars without good reason. Good.

Eric Stevens
You call people liars as a debating tool.

Sandman
Incorrect. As I've said many times, I call people liars when they continue making a claim that has been proven to be wrong.

There are times when you have called people liars without any preliminary explanation. Even when you rely on what you call proof, it only has to be proven to _your_ satisfaction for you to call them a liar. You manipulate the argument to get to that point and ignore arguments to the contrary.

Eric Stevens
You thought it was B&H which is a nationally known camera store. (In fact it's an internationally known camera store.)

Sandman
You are lying, Eric. See - this is a perfectly good time to call you a liar. Do you know why? Because I have actually explained to you what happened - and you still make this incorrect claim.

Eric Stevens
That's your post facto explanation.

Sandman
No.

'Post facto' means after the facts became known. This is a half-way credible explanation you have concocted to try and get yourself off the hook.

Eric Stevens
The only thing that's possibly wrongwith my previous staement is that it would have benefited with a comma. You thought it was B&H, which is a nationally known camera store.

Sandman
But you see, I didn't actually think Best Buy was B&H, I just mistakenly called it B&H. There is a huge difference.

And you did it over and over again, in the face of people querying your usage.

Consider the difference between me responding to you and calling you Tony because I:

1. Mistakenly thought I was talking to Tony 2. Knew I was talking to you, but mistakenly *wrote* Tony

See the difference?

I would accept that if it had happened once. We have all done that kind of thing from time to time. But this occasion with B&H was different. It went on and on.

In this case, it was number 2 - I knew I was talking about Best Buy the entire time, and several clues in what I wrote attested to this (it being near The Loop for instance).

But Tony's claim is that it was number 1, where I didn't mistype, but rather thought I had visited B&H, not noticing the huge "Best Buy" signs on the building.

If there is any confusion, my response to when this error was brought to my attention should make it perfectly clear what option above was really the true one:

Sandman Re: Colonial Photo & Hobby 04/19/2014 <slrnll5o04.i52.mr@irc.sandman.net>

"Wow, my bad. You know, I didn't even stop to think about it. I have been talking about Best Buy, yes. Sorry about the confusion."

That made it crystal clear that I had meant Best Buy the entire time, and at not time did I actually think Best Buy was B&H.

I know absolutely nothing about B&H, never been there.

I haven't been there either but I have known about them for years. I am surprised that you did not know of them prior to this discussion.

I did *NOT* think Best Buy was a nationally known camera store at any point in time. I was in reference to Best Buy 100% of the times and I merely wrote the wrong company name in my posts.

When you wrote "multiple threads" when you meant "multiple groups" here:

http://usenet.sandman.net/reader/index/read?id=122538

Tony could claim that you think threads are groups and make a huge deal out of it (of course he won't, since you're both trolls and all that). But you didn't think that, you just wrote the wrong word without thinking about it and not until Savageduck prompted you did you realize your error, corrected it and that was it.

Eric Stevens
You must have been nursing that to your breast for more than three months!

Sandman
Hardly, I just searched for you using the word "I meant", that's all. It happens all the time, when we use the wrong word or the wrong name on something. I admit that I used it five times incorrectly without realizing it myself, but it's still the same thing.

Eric Stevens
What have you been smoking? Even when Duck took me up on that statement, he was still thinking in terms of threads. The person who corrected my statement to make it apply to groups was me.

Sandman
Yeah, that's what I mean by prompted, his reply made you see your error, you corrected it and that was it.

Eric Stevens
This is not at all like your mistake about B&H where you ploughed ahead resisting all attempts to suggest you were off the rails somewhere.

Sandman
Oh come one now, Eric. We've been through this already. There were no such attempts. There was a lot of *confusion* because you thought I actually meant B&H which is a NY-store, so you asked me if I had been to NY (in direct response to me saying it was in Florida).

I (and I think at least one other) gave you several opportunities to realise you had made an error. You never took them.

At no time did you ever respond to me with any information that would lead me to see that I made a mistake.

In my case, it took a while for anyone to prompt me because you got all confused by my mistyping, which is understandable.

Eric Stevens
But you persisted with your error, which is the important point.

Sandman
I did not. The *exact* moment it was brought to my attention that I had made an error did I correct it.

I *made* the error many times, but I didn't "persist" with for a single second. There's a huge difference.

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Regards,

Eric Stevens

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