Google| Subject | Re: Will Tony apologize? (was: Re: Colonial Photo & Hobby) |
| From | Savageduck |
| Date | 2014-04-27 22:55 (2014-04-27 13:55) |
| Message-ID | <2014042713555625357-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom> |
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| Newsgroups | rec.photo.digital |
| Follows | Tony Cooper |
| Followups | Tony Cooper (36m) > Savageduck |
On 2014-04-27 20:01:04 +0000, Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com>said:
Tony Cooper...or how he has his view options set for his particular newsreader.
On Sun, 27 Apr 2014 09:49:50 -0700, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>wrote:SavageduckTony Cooper
On 2014-04-27 15:40:00 +0000, Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com>said:Tony CooperSavageduck
On 27 Apr 2014 09:10:37 GMT, Sandman <mr@sandman.net>wrote:SandmanTony Cooper
This is incorrect. A thread is not "usually" determined by the subject line.
Right. Absolutely right. A thread is *always* determined by the subject line. You created a new thread.
Not necessarily. He really would have had to create a fresh post, not a reply from within the same parent post thread.
It's an interesting situation that's based - seemingly - on how a person views the posts in their newsreader.
As far as I'm concerned, a "thread" is a series of posts in some sort of sequence. I won't say they have to be on the same subject because the posts within a thread don't necessarily have to remain about the same subject. A thread is viewed as a block of posts.That is not quite what he did. What he actually did was alter the reply subject line to the OP, Subject: "Colonial Photo & Hobby", not create a new subject line.
What Jonas did was create a new subject line.
That, as Agent views it, places the post in a different sequence in the list of posts and not in any sequence with the posts of the thread before the change.That might be so. However, even with the altered subject line they are not a new thread, and based on the content in this case, not even a true sub-thread. Just a hiccough in the sequence all related to the parent OP.
The resulting thread is separated from the original thread.It is not in this particular case.
As far as I'm concerned, that's a new thread.I use Unison and favor v.1.8.1 over v. 2.1.10.
Evidently, not all newsreaders treat this the same.
That gives me several view options, and I use different options for different NewsGroups depending on my viewing needs for any particular NG. If all I want is a chronological stack with the latest arrivals at the top of the stack, I select "Ungroup Messages" and I sort on "Date & Time". If I want the entire thread grouped with the parent OP post, I select "Group Messages" and still sort by "Date & Time". This way I can either have the latest post or reply to a particular NG at the top of the stack, or I can have the group(thread) with the latest addition at the top of the stack.
For rec.photo.digital I usually view with "Ungroup Messages" selected.
In this particular case with the parent OP; "Colonial Photo & Hobby" I have your post which I am replying to here, on top of my "Ungrouped Message" stack. < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_667.jpg >
Here I have the "Grouped Message" stack with Jonas' parent post at the top and the date column indicating there is an addition to the group "Today". < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_670.jpg >
...and here is where the altered subject line appears right in the middle of all the other responses to the OP with chronological reply sequence maintained. No new thread, just an altered subject line. < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_669.jpg >
Jonas - while he has not stated it - seems to use something that does not break up the sequential aspect of the posts. I don't know what yours does, and I don't know what all the other newsreaders that are used by participants in this group do.That is a regular occurrence in these rooms when all of us have been guilty of going off at a tangent. However, the original OP remains the original OP until a fresh post is made to create that new thread. All diversions remain tethered to the OP parent post and are part of the original thread, or part of a divergent sub-thread.
We know that content does not determine what a thread is because we've seen so many threads start off on one thing and then veer off from that completely.
That leaves "sequence" and "position" as good contenders for defining a thread.Not necessarily.
Jonas created a post that did not follow in sequence or fall in the same position on this - and probably many other - screens.Actually it did.
Jonas has made a claim (unsubstantiated) that Forte Agent is a "broken" newsreader and does not follow "standards". (I'm paraphrasing because I can't be bothered to look up his actual words)I can't speak for Forte Agent as I do not, and have never used it. I only know it by reputation as being a good usenet client.
In participating in newsgroups for many years, and in many newsgroups, I've never seen anyone suggest this before. Most of the groups I follow - or have followed - have been groups with participants from all over the globe. Many different news providers and newsreaders are or have been used. Most people regard both news.individual.net and Forte Agent (the combo that I use) as both reliable and at least equal to or better than any other news reader or newsreader.-- Regards,
I don't imagine that Jonas will be able to substantiate his claim, but we may see an "onslaught" of empty verbiage - maybe including examples of ordering pizza or picking up medicines - purporting to do so.
Savageduck
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