Sandman
In article <46361641-ddea-4a8e-94b1-481f313df339@googlegroups.com>, Whisky-dave wrote:

nospam
since you admit to having a backup, there can't be data loss.

PeterN
The phone data is no longer available on the phone.

Sandman
But your data is not lost, right?

Whisky-dave
Wrong the data is still lost you can get identical data back id indeed it has been backed up.

Sandman
I.e. his data is not lost.

Also, the data on the phone *is* available, only not easily so.

Whisky-dave
But if you can't get it, it's considered lost, that's what lost means.

Sandman
But he can get it. Only not easily. So then it's not lost.

Whisky-dave
If you lose yuor keys you can get anothe rset vut that doesn;t mean you never lost your keys.

Sandman
Comparing physical objects to binary data is never a good idea.

PeterN
The phone is kaput. The data on the phone is lost

Sandman
No, the threshold to access has been greatly elevated.

Whisky-dave
Another way to say lost.

Sandman
Ah, so if you drop your keys and they fall under the sofa, and you have a back problem, the keys are lost, ey?

It can be done, but since you have a backup and your data hasn't been lost, it is not worth it for you to access the data.

Whisky-dave
'if' there is a backup.

Sandman
Which there was.

If your phone, and your phone only, contained the launch codes to US missile bases, and an "internal switch" made the phone "kaput", then the data would not be considered lost, and would be retrieved by a number of different data retrieval processes.

Whisky-dave
if the phone caught fire then the chance if the SIMM surviving would be small. So in that case data can be lost. This happened to a friends imac, the magic smoke appeared or rather was smelt.

Sandman
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