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In article <18sbs9dj25242ko0h7lfs89mpepd0au7rs@4ax.com>, Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz>wrote:

Eric Stevens
You really have difficulty in expressing what you mean. You previously wrote "a cloud outage might be annoying, but the data won't be lost" when you really meant a cloud outage might be annoying, but the data won't be lost as it should be stored in a copy else where.

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there is no need to say that since the default is for a copy of the data in the cloud.

Eric Stevens
Then you should have said it was for the default case. Otherwise it's a generalisation which isn't always correct.

nospam
the default does not need to be spelled out. that's why it's called the default.

Eric Stevens
The trouble was that it was not said to be the default case (rather than the general case) until well into the argument. Nor was the exact nature of the default defined as such until well into the argument. The problem with your failure to exactly define your terms until after the argument is underway is that you use it to duck and weave and genereally confuse the argument.

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no, you're blaming your misunderstanding on me when it's you.

there is no need to specify the default case since it's the default case.

not only that, but one of the key advantages of the cloud multiple devices having access, so it's probably in many places. dropbox is a good example.

now ask yourself how many people have only one copy of their data on a hard drive. the answer is a lot. *they* are the ones who are going to lose data.

Eric Stevens
Ditto with people and laptops and phones.

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no, because a phone is often backed up to the cloud without the user needing to do much of anything.

Eric Stevens
You have ignored my mention of phones for which the overflow is *stored* - not backed up but *stored* in the cloud. The people who do that are certain their data is secure.

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anyone that believes one copy of data is secure is in for a surprise.

and again, that's not the default case.