Eric Stevens
But then you have to explain how it is that individual drivers will have their cars set up differently to suit their own preferences.

Sandman
No I don't. For these reasons:

1. I said that a race car driver doesn't NEED to know about car MECHANICS

2. You said ALL successful ones have ENGINEERING skills

This is not only clearly false, it is also your usual switching of words and usage of absolute terms.

Eric Stevens
It's not only factually true and its only usage of absolute terms in your mind.

Sandman
And your followup question is totally unrelated to this. A race car driver can have their car "set up differently" to suit their preferences without knowing the first thing about car mechanics (and especially ENGINEERING) since they are part of a race team where there are actual mechanics that will adjust whatever needs adjusting, and would do a far better job than if the driver did it himself.

Eric Stevens
How do you think they know what needs adjusting? They know because the driver tells them. There will be discussion over the details (as no adjustment affects only one aspect of the car's performance) but the top drivers have major technical input.

Sandman
What part of the sentence made it "seem" that way, Eric. The part where the programmer would do well to understand the basics of architecture to better build solutions for his collegues? How do you arrivbe at the conclusion that I meant that the "programmer leads the way"??

Eric Stevens
Because you didn't say the architect could do well to understand the basics of computing.

Sandman
That's not an answer to my question. Me not saying that is not the same as me saying that the "Programmer leads the way". You have a reading disorder. Maybe dyslexia? Maybe ADHD? I don't know, but you clearly can't read English.

Eric Stevens
The problem is that you have a narrow understanding. It's up to the architect to decide where he wants to. It's the programmer who has to take him. This only works if the architect has some understanding of what is possible.

My opinion is that the architect is the creative person and has the responsibility to know how to employ the tools he is using.

Sandman
You should really stop uttering your opinions in the form of statements of facts. If you learned to read and write English correctly, then most of this could be avoided.

You should have said "I think an architect could benefit from understanding programming"

Eric Stevens
Why? I never started this discussion.

Sandman
And then "Ooops, I didn't mean programming, I meant computing"

Eric Stevens
Apart from the "Ooops", Ive already done that.

Sandman
1. A "zillion" scripts were used by the architects in the making of the designs in that link

Eric Stevens
By golly yes.

Sandman
I.e. you have no support, and you know it. You know what that makes the statement by now.

Eric Stevens
This is just a debating trick. I'm not going to even try to explain in this news group how these large packages work and how you make them do what you want them to do. For a start, I doubt that you have the necessary knowledge of physics, engineering or mathematics.

Sandman
2. That those scripts were made by the architects themselves.

Eric Stevens
They would certainly have spelled out what they wanted to do and what tools they wanted to use.

Sandman
Also something you've yet to support, making this the same as the above.

Eric Stevens
Well who do you think is going to make these decisions?

Sandman
Absolutely.

Eric Stevens
Then tell us.

Sandman
Why? You haven't told us anything. It's your claim, and you refuse to back it up, why would you expect me to talk about your example? I've already relayed many of the things I know about design work in conjunction with programmers in earlier posts.

Eric Stevens
With respect, you know damn little about design work.