nospam
only because he refuses to learn anything new.

Tony Cooper
So what? Have you seen his images?

Why does he need to follow the herd in order to have machine-capabilities to process them any differently?

Sandman
No one wants him to follow any "herd". That's some awkward thinking you've got ther. We are challening his ignorant and stupid claims about things he knows nothing about.

Tony Cooper
Of course he's suggesting following the herd. His position that Floyd should learn something new is clearly saying that Floyd should use something other than Linux and Gimp.

Sandman
Maybe you need to quote nospam here, because the line above is nospam claiming that floyd *refuses* to learn something new, not that he should learn something new.

Tony Cooper
What difference does it make?

Other than to provide fodder for your petty little arguments, who gives a shit if Floyd does it this way or that way?

You two have your knickers in a twist because he doesn't do it your way, and you think anyone should care?

Sandman
While I don't agree with that assessement on its own, it is also not related to the ongoing discussion about Floyd's lack of knowledge about an operating system.

Tony Cooper
Oh, fuck off with your "ongoing discussion bullshit.

A discussion in a newsgroup is determined solely by what the participants want to discuss.

There aren't rules. There aren't constraints. The discussion has moved from "converting raw images from Canon EOS 600D" to bickering over Linux.

Yes, it does. We can see that Floyd can take a good photograph and produce a good result using his choice of tools.

Sandman
But when was Floyd's skill as a photographer, or his skill in using his choice of tools ever in question?

Tony Cooper
In a recent post by *you*. You sought out some images that you criticized the processing off suggesting that they could be done with better tools, and brought it into the discussion with links. That's OK, you're allowed, but don't be a hypocrite.

Sandman
Floyd has made a series of outright incorrect claims about operaing systems he apparently does not use. His alleged skill as a photographer does not make them correct.

Nor does our ignorance about nospam's skill make his factual claims any less factual.

Tony Cooper
We don't know if nospam can do the same.

Sandman
Actually, we do. Or rather, we know that tools exists for nospam's platform of choice that are as good (and according to me - a lot better) than the tools available for Floyd's platform.

Their relative skill in using these tools are not in contention as far as I'm aware, the discussion has centered around the availability and ease of use of these tools.

Tony Cooper
Where do you get the idea that a discussion here is "centered" around something

The photographer may have had some concept about how the final image should appear that you don't agree with because agreement is a subjective analysis.

Sandman
As was your claim about his photographic skills. All I did was offer some counter examples to your subjective claim. It's not like I had to dig for hours to find some bad examples. I took the front page image and the first image of the first gallery and then I looked in the second gallery and found one that had very sub-par post processing since I felt it was on topic regarding processing tools.

Tony Cooper
So you've moved the "center" of the discussion to judging his output within the space of one post?

Why should I, or anyone, give a rat's ass about how he got to where he did? My assessment is based on the final result, not the steps taken to get there.

Sandman
As is mine.

But I repeat - this thread hasn't talked about Floyd's skill as a photographer until you joined.

Tony Cooper
That's what threads are for. The ability to add any comment on any aspect is what a threaded newsgroup is all about.