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SubjectRe: As with our trolls, the problem wasn't the Mac Pro itself... It's the problem with the morons wh
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Date2014-02-19 01:54 (2014-02-18 16:54)
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On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 6:39:08 PM UTC-5, sms wrote:

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The average age of vehicles on the road continues to increase so apparently there are many customers with a long term mindset.

Not necessarily: it could be as simple as "I can't afford a new monthly payment of $X for a new car", so they keep on plugging away with the old one.

It's fairly easy to find a starting point from which to negotiate from. Look at the "x in stock at this price" ads, get quotes from someone in USAA, find the invoice price and deduct the holdbacks and factory-to-dealer incentives, etc. to try to get a rough idea of the actual dealer cost (often factory to dealer incentives are not easy to find).

Getting a handle on a dealer's true cost is a handful, and easier said than done. A coworker just got an Accord at IIRC 10% below the supposed Invoice, for example.

What always amuses me is that 1-2 year old new vehicles often cost _more_ than a new vehicle of the same model

Depends on the model, but there's a couple of reasons why. One is that 'legal' (from the USA perspective) grey market exports from the USA to other markets, where the products sell for much more. For example, China has a 100% import tariff, which for even a $30K vehicle is an incentive to DIY import and bribe your way through the ports with money to spare.

For example, one manager that I recently talked to was discussing how they even will employ Google Street View to try to research a customer to see if they're a straw buyer. They recently turned over a case to Homeland which supposedly resulted in a Fed getting fired earlier this month for tax evasion.

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